Thanks allofme2 and ck62498 for the prompt responses.
Interesting point in regards to allofme2 about how the implant feels in hand vs inside the body and how the images in the article as well as in the video show an implant that looks like hard plastic. I wonder what legal ramifications there are if records were kept verifying that he states he's going to implant the soft material that allofme2 handled and then it was found that Elist put something different in the body.
If I were to have this procedure done I would want very detailed records kept for my own purposes of exactly what happened; what was put in me, how it was put in me and the procedure used, who was there and who did what, sterilization procedures, medications used if possible a videotape of the procedure as it was happening...everything. I would assume this information is kept for all patients(aside from the video), so I don't see why the patient should not be able to view his own documents.
In the case something went wrong I would want to be assured that if it wasn't my fault(eg not following post op procedures for healing) than someone would be held responsible.
I'm glad to hear about how well you are healing ck(if you don't mind me addressing you that for short; if so please let me know).
If I may. I looked at the video of the implant surgery and I believe this to be taken some time ago. The implant that I have is one piece, and has a very light color webbing material on the surface. If you notice the video the implant is stitched together just before closing. Also take note of the skin where the top of the implant is stitched, you can see the outline of the stitching on the skin. I know the one I have is one piece because it is very smooth all around. I personally think it is a good thing that Dr. Elist is improving the implant, after all this is what practicing medicine is all about. Look at Silicone Implants and their history, or all of the available pe surgery's, Everyone has evolved for the better and I hope will continue. I have put much thought into my decision to have the procedure and I have know doubt there will be a better models or safer ways of performing these surgery's in the future.
Good observation guys with the video, I wonder what else we can figure out. I would love to see a current video.
new1inch, Thanks, things are going good @ 2.5 weeks As far as my starting stats, my erect length was 5.5 to 6, my erect girth was just a hair under 5. Flaccid length was all over the place, I suffered from severe shrinkage, the picture posted was a good day.
Post by Skeptical One on Oct 19, 2010 0:11:18 GMT -5
PM should work on this site as well. If there are any issues with PM please create a thread regarding the matter at the feedback forum, but otherwise I believe it should be a smooth PM'ing system.
I'm a bit confused with the retraction. I've read one post at MNS that appears to suggest Elist figuring out that his implant actually is hindered by scar tissue development which prevents the implant from fully stretching out. (*NOTE THIS IS NOT A FACTUAL STATEMENT, MERELY SPECULATION*)
I wonder if post-op stretching w/out ligament severing could afford similar length gains w/out the risk of retraction? I only say that because of the vast reporting of length gains via manual PE which never involved severed ligaments. I personally can testify that for the brief time I did do manual PE (just simple stretch and jelq exercises), I did gain about 0.5" in length in a couple of months but it plateaued afterwards. Some have reported gains of 2" (however, these were reported in progress reports that stretched over many years) via manual stretching PE. I'm not an advocate for manual PE but I do believe it holds some promise - hell it uses the same premise (of traction) that the stretching device employs when used after a lengthening surgery.
ALL of these phalloplasty surgeons need to figure out the physiology behind the ligaments and the ultimate gain in length instead of using these presumptuous methods!
Post by mustang2020 on Oct 19, 2010 2:48:29 GMT -5
Yes, the PM works fine, I tried it with CK.
So far, I do not believe any one can get any permenant ERECT length increase thru any method....
I did not have the lig cut, according to my Dr., and I lost over an inch. Most people who had lig cut also had loss of erect length, some lucky ones say they did not loose nor gain any....So this lig cut is a waste of time and money? I am almost sure so far!
Three week update Nearly three weeks and for the most part pain free during the day and able to sleep pretty well at night, the nighttime erections are tolerable. Wrapping day and night excluding a few hours for O-oil and to breath. I lost about two inches in the erect state and have been told this is normal due to the trauma. MJ made reference to loosing a couple inches then slowly but steadily regained, which is comforting, I'll keep posting my progress. Things are looking good and the implant is pretty soft to touch, it doesn’t bulge out on the sides and the edges are fairly smooth except for one small spot under the shaft in the middle. I removed the stitches yesterday and the incision looks great, Dr. E did a nice clean job, the incision is pretty long but looks thin. I’m glad to have them out, the pubic area has felt tight, and I hope this helps. The skin seems to be ok and able to handle the implant. I do believe the shrinkage is due to the skin not being able to accommodate the girth and sacrifices length.
Mustang, thanks for the chats, it helps to bounce questions off of guys who have been down this road.
Post by Skeptical One on Oct 20, 2010 7:18:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure about others with retraction issues post-op, but I have some faith that traction can work for some people...that is a solid stretching routine...when your penis is ready for it of course.
ck, I suspected that trauma from giving your skin more than its used to handling could result in unforeseen complications, I just hope to get a better understanding of the physiological reasons behind it.
While the doctor may tell you "stretching in the future will bring you back to normal," (which could actually work), you need to ask him why retraction happened in the first place? If you get a chance, it would be very helpful if he could explain why you, and others for that matter, have experienced retraction from a physiological standpoint. What is actually going on in and around the penis post-op that caused significant length loss? Be sure to stress he give you the answer in layman terms too lol.
Post by mustang2020 on Oct 20, 2010 12:19:46 GMT -5
It is hard to stretch with an implant. The skin will simply move forward and the implant will stay put. you can't pull too hard on the glans in fear of ripping the stitches. I agree that it seems skin is NOT the issue causing retraction even thu Dr R says so , with all due respect. Human skin can stretch in many direction but of course it takes some time to do so. I think the length of the implant and the stitching and the trauma has a lot to do with the retraction.
May Be, just may be cutting the ligs allows the penis NOT to loose any erect length but will, in most cases, not add any either!!
I am sure some people out there had some erect gains in length with PE, but they are the minority here and we are looking for something that works for any and all of us!
Hey mustang, If stretching is difficult due to pressure on the stitched glands. Maybe the option that marknmau chose to have the procedure unstitched was a very good one.. If dr elists implant is just one piece now maybe stitching is unnecessary? I would be interested to see what the implant looks like now.
Post by mustang2020 on Oct 21, 2010 0:10:07 GMT -5
My implant is also one piece. It is formed of two pieces joined together in the middle at the factory by a thin "spine" of silicone. the stitching is done behind the glans to stablize it and to prevent it from going over the glans when flaccid, which is exactly what Markmau wanted and got.
Hey Mustang have you looked at the phallosan device or any others vaccuum like stretching devices? I'm sure you have done your research but I just wanted to recommend them if not. I feel like there are a few stretching devices out there that don't pull on the glans.
Best of luck
justpitchingin: Anyways.. I have had the Elist procedure.. only 14 weeks post-op.. So far so good.. But be warned the girth is actually something that may not be appreciated as it may be a bit much for folks that are not into girth..
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happy: guys that had Elist surgery recently and are recovering and all is well...I'd like to communicate with guys that had the surgery within the last year so I can gauge my progress
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