Post by Skeptical One on Nov 29, 2010 17:10:53 GMT -5
mark, any updates? When you say you were "one of the lucky ones," you are implying you lost little to no length right?
My biggest obstacle with going through with the Elist route is the risk of retraction. I don't exactly boast a great length to start with, so losing even a quarter-inch would be highly devastating. I know according to the doc himself, retraction is EXPECTED in the early stages post surgery - and that in time the length will return. I suppose this is plausible, especially if aided by a hanging device (done safely). At MNS, I believe Mustang said it was advised never to hang post-op. I just don't see why light-to-mild weights couldn't be used like 6 months post-op to obtain some length.
Speaking of Mustang, he has yet to gain his full length back. I wish the physiological mechanism behind retraction could be better explained in this instance. I know we've theorized implant length and glans-stitching as possible culprits, but this is ultimately speculation. I wonder how much R&D Elist does himself...seems to me he went to softer implants based on complaints rather than sheer data analysis. That's disconcerting.
Hope to hear from you Mark, you'd be surprised but I think discussion activity here is on pace to surpass MNS, especially given the "Moderator approval" situation. Viewership is still much higher over there than here, but that will change in time too.
Post by Skeptical One on Nov 26, 2010 22:46:09 GMT -5
oh and Stormy, as for contacting the Doctor... I bothered not to.
I'm already aware of 2 others who have proposed the same question to him, now you make 3. I figured if I also wrote to him, it would only slow him that much more in getting a response. I would, however, contact him by phone if this information doesn't hit PhalloBoards sooner than later.
Post by Skeptical One on Nov 26, 2010 22:44:49 GMT -5
It isn't just the prosthesis I care about, its the technique itself. Dr. Elist must demonstrate
1) why retraction occurred with some patients with the old prosthesis and/or technique
2) what does his new prosthesis and/or technique does to resolve the retraction problem so its non-existent.
That's right... "non-existent!" Because as far as I'm concerned, there should be no reason to offer "Lengthening" as a procedure that faces a risk of LOSING LENGTH. It seems like something in the procedure is NOT fundamentally sound.
I understand that any phalloplasty method is a work in progress, and techniques are being improved every year. Which is why I will give the doctor the benefit of the doubt and hope he can really give us some answers.
Post by Skeptical One on Nov 26, 2010 19:29:32 GMT -5
I recall an individual having it done at the Yahoo Group forum... I'll see if I can dig up exactly what happened but it worked great in enhancing girth but was notable "soft," perhaps too squishy for realism and also was not permanent and required top-offs to maintain the girth.
oh and I've moved this thread to the General Discussion Forum since it's inquiry-based. welcome to the discussion!
Post by Skeptical One on Nov 24, 2010 15:47:39 GMT -5
stale, just don't going around killin anybody now ya hear me? hah, listen buddy, I don't believe for a second anyone I know lives a truly "normal" life or has lived a truly "normal" life.
If improving your size hasn't improved some of your psychological insecurities, then you need to start with some introspection and try to really figure out what it is you need to do to grow as a man in the coming years.
At least now the size dilemma is one less concern, right?
I received two new emails from his nurse today. They really seem to be genuinely nice caring people. Whom LOVE questions!
Here's a summary of the first and second emails I received.
Dr Casavantes has been working with fillers for two decades and PMMA for eight years. The penis will be larger and have increased sensitivity in the erect state and appear longer in the flaccid state. PMMA is permanent and surgical removal is the only removal method. Steroid injections can reduce and soften areas if needed. Side effects from the procedure will include bruising and swelling. You are able to resume normal activity as soon as you feel comfortable and the entry points at the pubis area have healed. PMMA has been used in the body for over fifty years without any pharmacological reactions with the human body.
The third email Q & A
1. In my research I read that Dr Casavantes receives his Medical PMMA "New Plastic" from a medical lab in Brazil and is up for FDA approval. Is this correct?
A. Dr Casavantes and his group are working towards the registration of PMMA with the FDA, but it will be a long process. To begin with, there is a PMMA based product already registered by the FDA (Arteplast) that has its patent until 2014. Of course, they cannot do anything before that time.
2. What is the difference between Silicone injections and PMMA "New Plastic"?
A. Please make very clear we DO NOT use silicone oil (also known as siloxane, polysiloxane, dimethylpolysiloxane) for any of our procedures. Besides its popularity and extensive use, silicone has never been approved as a soft tissue filler, and those breast implants filled with it, ended up as what some people call the "silicone holocaust". History of the use of the oil as a filler has been around for over 60 years!!! - We only use polymethtylmethacrylate ( also known as PMMA), that is comprised by micro-spheres of SOLID PLASTIC and suspended in a water based, absorbable vehicle. The fact that the first one is an oil and that the second one is a solid plastic makes a complete difference, besides other technical characteristics of the highly studied, controlled and approved PMMA.
3. What are the possible complications associated with PMMA?
A. The highest percentage of complications associated with PMMA are technique (poor training) related. The product is very safe, but has to be used by a highly qualified physician with a lot of experience.
4. Have you seen disfigured penises from using this product?
A. We have seen disfigured penises in patients that have had extensive amounts of the product. There must be a limit in the number of sessions, the concentration and the amount of product to create a safe procedure. Again the procedure needs to be performed by a highly qualified physician with a lot of experience.
5. How many sessions are needed?
A. As with all Bioplasty procedures, patients have to come back for a second session.
6. What is the amount injected at each session?
A. Sessions are usually done with 10 - 15 cc of 10% pmma.
7. What type of aftercare is needed?
A. Aftercare doesn't take much special care. Patients receive an easy to follow instruction sheet after the treatment. No need to stay in the area or have medical assistance. Most patients fly back to their cities either the same, or the next day.
8. What does the pmma feel like?
A. The implant is palpable. However, patients that received the correct dose (2 sessions, 10%, 10 - 15 cc) will get more acceptable results. No patient has ever complained about the implant being palpable, even though they sometimes notice it themselves.
9. Can I have the lengthening procedure or other procedures after having the PMMA?
A. PMMA is a permanent filler. The only way to extract it is by physically removing it through skin openings. However, it doesn't interfere with other procedures like surgical lengthening and such.
10. What are long term affects of pmma?
A. PMMA will not affect your health down the road, like silicone does.
Congratulations for your good work researching for this procedure. We definitely like educated patients that make a conscious decision after knowing the benefits and possible complications... I understand your concerns and the importance of this step in your life. My recommendation will be to continue your research from as many independent sources as you can find, in order to make the best decision for you. Best Regards
The fourth email Q & A
1. Is the cost of the second procedure included in the $1500 initial fee?
A. The cost for additional treatments is charged by the amount of the product used, and is typically one half of the first treatment. This is also dependent on what your expectations are for the second treatment.
15 cc is usually the maximum product used at any one session. The gains are like you see in the photos. In the flaccid state, the penis is unable to retract, creating longer length.
2. Can the Glans (head) be enlarged using pmma?
A. Temporary fillers such as Restylane can be used to augment the glans.
The fifth email (they sent to me today)
Please feel free to contact me with any additional questions that you may have.
(Like I said they must like questions!)
Can you guys think of any questions I may have missed? They usually email back within a few hours. When I asked them what it feels like they replied it is palpable but they have never had a patient complain about this. The Doctor himself has injected his deltoids and I think his butt with pmma. He performs brazilian butt lifts, muscle enhancement, facial reconstruction, penis enlargements using PMMA "New Plastic". I wanted to ask if he has injected his own penis but I thought that might be a little personal (?).
justpitchingin: Anyways.. I have had the Elist procedure.. only 14 weeks post-op.. So far so good.. But be warned the girth is actually something that may not be appreciated as it may be a bit much for folks that are not into girth..
Mar 18, 2017 1:33:43 GMT -5
happy: guys that had Elist surgery recently and are recovering and all is well...I'd like to communicate with guys that had the surgery within the last year so I can gauge my progress
Mar 27, 2017 19:52:32 GMT -5
May 7, 2017 12:41:15 GMT -5
localyokel: looking for source of papaverine without needing RX...
May 7, 2017 12:42:05 GMT -5
naginati: What happenedover atphallobaords 2? It's disabled, someone get in touch with Skeptical one!
Oct 1, 2017 15:45:49 GMT -5
hunkchunk: Hi Skeptical One, I hope this posting reaches you. You're aware that the new forum is down and I thought maybe you could post here if this one will be revived or if another hosting platform is forthcoming. Thanks and see you in the threads ! Hunk Chunk
Oct 4, 2017 1:44:58 GMT -5
naginati: Hunkchunk! I started a reddit group, search for phalloboards. It's a way to communicate at least.
Oct 5, 2017 6:21:45 GMT -5
growing: Why I cannot post any new topics?
Oct 5, 2017 17:19:58 GMT -5
hacid: Why can't I post on this forum??
Oct 11, 2017 12:19:54 GMT -5
sxybst: yes, what the heck happened?
Oct 20, 2017 14:24:22 GMT -5
herbertwest: Hi everyone! I'm also wondering, what's happened with site? Guys, please, write your emails to SO or Hoddle10, we need to return the forum.
P.S. Reklaw, if you read this, please PM me or send me email, you know my email adress.
Oct 23, 2017 13:50:58 GMT -5
sydshow: I emailed the host two weeks ago, no reply! Was hoping it would have come back by now.. anyone?
Oct 23, 2017 16:57:39 GMT -5
thecolemateo: Uhhh where did this site go?
Nov 10, 2017 15:57:07 GMT -5
champ101: Dr Colin Moore is a butcher, NEVER allow him anywhere near your penis. His work is VERY bad and his fees are far in excess of others who complete these surgeries much better. He could not care less about his patients, his work is VERY bad.
Mar 8, 2018 9:11:56 GMT -5