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Post by mustang2020 on Nov 5, 2010 13:51:03 GMT -5
I did some research on the Internet and found out that scar tissue develops around any foreign object in the body including breast implants. My question is this: Will this tissue STOP after it encapsulates the object or will it continue to accumulate for years to come? I actually asked TWO well known PE surgeons who are some of the top in PE surgeries and they did not know the answer!!!!
My own guess would be that the scar tissue will slow down in progress and almost stop unless there is a disturbance to the foreign body then it may start again to protect the body..
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 5, 2010 14:26:52 GMT -5
Great question, and its been my fear that scar tissue is the primary culprit for retraction post-op (though this is just purely a theory).
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Post by stormy on Nov 5, 2010 15:05:35 GMT -5
From what I've researched/read about it does eventually stop. The purpose of the capsule is to "isolate" the foreign object from the body by forming itself around the implant. Once your immune system has determined the implant is "isolated" and you are safe, the tissue stops forming.
I remember reading(but can't remember where) in a medical article that once the capsule has fully formed and you are healed it's actually quite hard/rare for an infection to occur.
One reason I've read that an infection can happen several months down the line is that a bacterial biofilm may have been present on the implant during the operation in which case you may suffer the effects of an infection several months post op.
Unfortunately, the biofilm situation is totally out of your hands and is 100% in the hands of the people operating on you.
The healing process regarding the scar tissue/capsule developing around any foreign body occurs for all subcutaneous body mods; breast implants, pearly ribs(penile mod), chin/cheek implants, butt implants, etc.
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Post by skatezy777 on Nov 5, 2010 16:51:53 GMT -5
Maybe this is a simple question, but how exactly does the scar tissue cause a decrease in length? How does more tissue equal retraction?
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Post by dog on Nov 5, 2010 16:57:13 GMT -5
I did some research on the Internet and found out that scar tissue develops around any foreign object in the body including breast implants. My question is this: Will this tissue STOP after it encapsulates the object or will it continue to accumulate for years to come? I actually asked TWO well known PE surgeons who are some of the top in PE surgeries and they did not know the answer!!!! My own guess would be that the scar tissue will slow down in progress and almost stop unless there is a disturbance to the foreign body then it may start again to protect the body.. Hey Mustang. Great question. Mainly, it depends on the person. That is why some people develop more scar tissue than others.. It depends on how the body reacts to foreign material, and the location it is placed. Mainly, Dr.s will not know to what extent your body will react to any material. Breast implant is a great comparison. Ever hear of women complain that their gel implants feel hard as a rock in the breast? That's because some womens' bodies have an increased amount of scar tissue and it contracts around the implant making the breast feel "hard." The statistic isn't high but it does happen.
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Post by stormy on Nov 5, 2010 17:31:34 GMT -5
The name of the occurrence that Dog is referring to is called capsular contraction. Interestingly, the most commonly prescribed method to prevent it from happening is to regularly massage the breast tissue all around the implant.
I think because of the dynamic nature of the penis; volume changes from flaccid to erect, massage happening from both masturbation and sex; presumably Elist patients wouldn't have to worry about capsular contraction as the capsule tissue is continually being subjected to changes in size therefore it's formation would reflect those stresses put on it.
Dog, I agree 100% in regards to the uncertainty of how an individual reacts to a foreign material implanted into the body. It's a total crapshoot as to how one can expect to heal.
At best, an individual could possibly try having a subcutaneous implant at another part of the body(there are tons) that has a history of easy removal(if they want it removed) to "test" how well they heal and how their body reacts to foreign materials but even then we are dealing with the penis, which because of it's dynamic nature puts a whole new set of variables to contend with in regards to how our body copes with it.
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Post by mustang2020 on Nov 6, 2010 1:25:19 GMT -5
Maybe this is a simple question, but how exactly does the scar tissue cause a decrease in length? How does more tissue equal retraction? One of Dr.Elist latest data is that scar tissue prevents the implant from moving in and out of the pubic bone area causing retraction. Since the implant is also stitched to the penis shaft behind the glans, now you have a sticky situation and the penis will not go fully erect. I believe at this stage of my implant, that is mostly what caused my loss of erect length. I also believe the length of the implant has something to do with the final erect length.
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Post by wizard on Nov 6, 2010 10:28:40 GMT -5
Of interest I had a testicle implant which I had removed this year for that very reason - if felt like a rock. Feeling it after it had been removed it felt really soft again - clearly the body does build up a defence around foreign implants.
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Post by mustang2020 on Nov 6, 2010 14:08:51 GMT -5
Well, it is good to hear that you got the soft feel again and I am assuming from your post that there were no side effects after removal. I am told that there is a softer silicon now. There were some cases of retraction after penis implant removal and that is what worries me the most right now..
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Post by stormy on Nov 8, 2010 18:03:42 GMT -5
Hi Mustang,
Not to veer too off topic, but how much have you heard about the softer silicone? Do you know how long he has been using it and if so what is the feedback so far?
Thanks, stormy
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Post by mustang2020 on Nov 8, 2010 18:07:58 GMT -5
I was told the shipment of this new silicone is due any day now. I am almost tempted to try it, but I have not made a final decision.
I want to do something ONE more time and then be done with this shit....
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 8, 2010 18:24:17 GMT -5
Mustang, I'm curious what the benefits of the softer implant would be, especially to counteract potential retraction. It seems to me that the biggest advantage of softer silicone would be less rigidity and edges thus allowing the skin to heal more effectively and appear more aesthetically pleasing. Outside of that, I can't think of how that would help resolve some of the other major issues that were discussed at MNS. Then again I'm no medical expert.
What do you think?
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Post by mustang2020 on Nov 8, 2010 19:25:47 GMT -5
The reason of retraction are not yet confirmed by this method and may be even other methods. I believe it to be from scar tissue, stitching of implant and length of implant. If true, Two of these issues can be fixed, length and stitching. Scar tissue at the base of the implant is where the problem may arise. Dr. Rothenthal, when cutting the ligs, adds some body fat to that area to reduce retraction. I was thinking that the same can be done to reduce scar tissue at the base of the implant. I will discuss this issue in the next weeks with the Dr. and let you know. It may be a looong shot. Else, I go Belladerm or PRFM!!!!!!
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Post by marknmau on Nov 11, 2010 1:33:26 GMT -5
Hi Mustang! Just found this site, I think the scar tissue pretty much stops when the encapsulation process is complete. still just seems like a very thin membrane to me anyway. By the way, implant is still fine here, but I know I'm one of the lucky ones. I still really like the size, but somehow it is looking less and less like an uncut dick....... not what I want. the sex is great though, see you later
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 29, 2010 17:10:53 GMT -5
mark, any updates? When you say you were "one of the lucky ones," you are implying you lost little to no length right?
My biggest obstacle with going through with the Elist route is the risk of retraction. I don't exactly boast a great length to start with, so losing even a quarter-inch would be highly devastating. I know according to the doc himself, retraction is EXPECTED in the early stages post surgery - and that in time the length will return. I suppose this is plausible, especially if aided by a hanging device (done safely). At MNS, I believe Mustang said it was advised never to hang post-op. I just don't see why light-to-mild weights couldn't be used like 6 months post-op to obtain some length.
Speaking of Mustang, he has yet to gain his full length back. I wish the physiological mechanism behind retraction could be better explained in this instance. I know we've theorized implant length and glans-stitching as possible culprits, but this is ultimately speculation. I wonder how much R&D Elist does himself...seems to me he went to softer implants based on complaints rather than sheer data analysis. That's disconcerting.
Hope to hear from you Mark, you'd be surprised but I think discussion activity here is on pace to surpass MNS, especially given the "Moderator approval" situation. Viewership is still much higher over there than here, but that will change in time too.
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