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Post by mrstone on Apr 20, 2011 16:45:34 GMT -5
mrstoneI've noticed you have updated your status at MyNewSize, I'd hope you do the same here. And in that same update you also asserted that Dr. Elist has no brokers, but wouldn't you agree that at the very minimum, working with the MNS administrator constitutes as some form of brokerage? Furthermore, the confirmed shills who also post there with impunity must raise concerns that there are other brokers as well (or perhaps all one and the same)? For someone who has been a self-admitted PE crook, how in Heaven or Hell have you not seen the Red Flags littered all over MyNewSize and Dr. Elist's association with it? Why would your most recent update be so quick to absolve Dr. Elist's association with brokers/shills? And why would you update that site but not also spend an extra 3 minutes of your time to update the more active PhalloBoards? Why haven't you responded to Sheldon's questions regarding Chad Hedman? With all due respect, answers are needed. You of all people can appreciate why we as a forum must remain critical of those willing to hijack a discussion for the sake of injecting their own propaganda. You of all people self-admittedly can relate. Which is why you, of all people, are most obliged to answer. I think its just as possible that these shills are working for other doctors and trying to sabotage dr Elist. Could it be that I am wrong about Dr Elist and that the stories are true, yes. I am just trusting my gut here and I do not get that vibe from the Dr. Its easy to jump to conclusions when we are sitting behind a computer screen and nobody can see us. Every story that I have ran by the doctor, every question and concern, has been answered by the Doc. The doc informed me that he feels as though some of the other doctors do this because they cant use the implant design. He holds the patent and he does the most surgeries out of all the PE doctors. They all want him out of business. Dr. E is in surgery almost every day, sometimes two times a day. I know this because I went to the surgery center and asked about him. I think his affiliation with MNS was more of a marketing ploy than a intentional shill move. He wanted his face on the front of the most popular site regarding dick surgery.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 20, 2011 17:05:27 GMT -5
So what you are saying is that other doctors out there have created an online PR campaign against the implant using a forum found on Dr. Elist's website... ?
(And we all know it's Dr. Elist's forum since if you goto Surgeonformen-dot-com you will see that the FORUM link directs you straight to MyNewSize's forum.)
And it isn't just about "having face," on MyNewSize, it is an outright extension of Dr. Elist's own webpage! Just read the content, click the links. You'll see. SurgeonForMen is the doctor's site, MyNewSize is the marketing front. It's as plain as day.
Quite ridiculous that a "former" shill (yourself, mrstone) is willing to see a doctor who's methods and tactics are littered with red flags... ON GUT INSTINCT ALONE? His "vibe" sold you?
I tell you what mrstone, I simply don't have enough grounds to ban you. I just don't. Although you have admitted to shilling and misleading people in the past (you even stated being a pro in the art of manipulation), I am not sure I can use that at my disposal. But what I can do is state that I don't believe a word you say, and I'm entitled to my opinion. Members here can read and judge for themselves the validity of your experiences.
Good day. -S.O.
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Post by sheldon on Apr 21, 2011 8:33:37 GMT -5
Dr Elist also helped Chad in his court case against Krakovsky. Do you know the outcome of this court case? I wonder if Chad was put on the stand and asked about his alleged smoking and steroid use, ripping off guys, shilling for Dr. K after his 2nd girth surgery, the quid pro quo arrangement with Dr. Elist... Does anyone know if 8ball and Dan Salas were put on the stand to testify for or against Chad?
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Post by messageman on Apr 21, 2011 9:29:38 GMT -5
mrstoneI've noticed you have updated your status at MyNewSize, I'd hope you do the same here. And in that same update you also asserted that Dr. Elist has no brokers, but wouldn't you agree that at the very minimum, working with the MNS administrator constitutes as some form of brokerage? Furthermore, the confirmed shills who also post there with impunity must raise concerns that there are other brokers as well (or perhaps all one and the same)? For someone who has been a self-admitted PE crook, how in Heaven or Hell have you not seen the Red Flags littered all over MyNewSize and Dr. Elist's association with it? Why would your most recent update be so quick to absolve Dr. Elist's association with brokers/shills? And why would you update that site but not also spend an extra 3 minutes of your time to update the more active PhalloBoards? Why haven't you responded to Sheldon's questions regarding Chad Hedman? With all due respect, answers are needed. You of all people can appreciate why we as a forum must remain critical of those willing to hijack a discussion for the sake of injecting their own propaganda. You of all people self-admittedly can relate. Which is why you, of all people, are most obliged to answer. I think its just as possible that these shills are working for other doctors and trying to sabotage dr Elist. Could it be that I am wrong about Dr Elist and that the stories are true, yes. I am just trusting my gut here and I do not get that vibe from the Dr. Its easy to jump to conclusions when we are sitting behind a computer screen and nobody can see us. Every story that I have ran by the doctor, every question and concern, has been answered by the Doc. The doc informed me that he feels as though some of the other doctors do this because they cant use the implant design. He holds the patent and he does the most surgeries out of all the PE doctors. They all want him out of business. Dr. E is in surgery almost every day, sometimes two times a day. I know this because I went to the surgery center and asked about him. I think his affiliation with MNS was more of a marketing ploy than a intentional shill move. He wanted his face on the front of the most popular site regarding dick surgery. Mr. Stone So your main source of information is Dr. Elist himself? And you’re “trusting your gut” here…choose to disregard the horror stories on this site…and imply that those who bring up negative stories on this are shills or people who did not follow the doctor’s instructions properly. Well, I guess you are either dumb as a brick…or your continuing to work as a shill…Either way, I feel you are at best a nuisance on this site…and at worst a danger. That being said, the members on this site are sophisticated enough to identify you for what you really are…So, your points, I believe, are nothing more than a sideshow. Oh ya....You say "He (Dr. Elist) wanted his face on the front of the most popular site regarding dick surgery. " Meaning MNS? Are you joking? Only you and a few other low grade shills post there now, hoping to prey on vulnerable men trying to get decent information on PE...The whole site is in the shitter because even the most novice of men looking for penis enlargement can smell the BS a mile away... Hope you can sleep at night jerk off ! Say hi to “Mr. Thick” for me
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Post by messageman on Apr 21, 2011 10:07:50 GMT -5
Mikehok wrote(in response to Mr. Stones claim): "I find it extremely difficult to believe that having the implant removed would still leave you with 1 inch of gain. Just my opinion."
Actually, this is perhaps the one truthful thing this "Mr. Stone" has said. I had the implant removed and as a result, I gained almost an inch from this capsule…That being said, it appears that I am an anomaly. There have been no other reports of members (excuse the pun) on this site, who have had the implant removed, gaining anything close to that.
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Post by mrstone on Apr 27, 2011 16:32:57 GMT -5
I think its just as possible that these shills are working for other doctors and trying to sabotage dr Elist. Could it be that I am wrong about Dr Elist and that the stories are true, yes. I am just trusting my gut here and I do not get that vibe from the Dr. Its easy to jump to conclusions when we are sitting behind a computer screen and nobody can see us. Every story that I have ran by the doctor, every question and concern, has been answered by the Doc. The doc informed me that he feels as though some of the other doctors do this because they cant use the implant design. He holds the patent and he does the most surgeries out of all the PE doctors. They all want him out of business. Dr. E is in surgery almost every day, sometimes two times a day. I know this because I went to the surgery center and asked about him. I think his affiliation with MNS was more of a marketing ploy than a intentional shill move. He wanted his face on the front of the most popular site regarding dick surgery. Mr. Stone So your main source of information is Dr. Elist himself? And you’re “trusting your gut” here…choose to disregard the horror stories on this site…and imply that those who bring up negative stories on this are shills or people who did not follow the doctor’s instructions properly. Well, I guess you are either dumb as a brick…or your continuing to work as a shill…Either way, I feel you are at best a nuisance on this site…and at worst a danger. That being said, the members on this site are sophisticated enough to identify you for what you really are…So, your points, I believe, are nothing more than a sideshow. Oh ya....You say "He (Dr. Elist) wanted his face on the front of the most popular site regarding dick surgery. " Meaning MNS? Are you joking? Only you and a few other low grade shills post there now, hoping to prey on vulnerable men trying to get decent information on PE...The whole site is in the shitter because even the most novice of men looking for penis enlargement can smell the BS a mile away... Hope you can sleep at night jerk off ! Say hi to “Mr. Thick” for me It seems to me that this site is just as anti elist as MNS is pro elist. I wonder if some of you are more than meets the eye... I will continue to sleep very well at night on my simmons/sealy 4x pillowtop adjustable california king waterbed with a built in 72" plasma tv.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 27, 2011 16:41:01 GMT -5
mrstoneComparing us to MyNewSize is so laughable that it doesn't help your own cause. Marknmau, Stalemango, Ck, Regularguy, and others have posted about their experiences with the implant and for the most part have had generally positive feedback. There are also people with negative views/experiences on the implant as well. That's the great thing about this forum - clearly open and engaging. At MyNewSize, you posts have to be approved by a moderator before it is ever posted. Guess what, NOTHING anti-Elist will make it through. As a matter of fact, the ONLY activity over at MyNewSize are a bunch of "I LOVE DR. ELIST" threads by posters who sound cheesier than a 3am infomercial. C'mon shills over at MNS, at least make this stuff believable! Say hi to Chad for me!
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Post by sheldon on Apr 27, 2011 17:28:54 GMT -5
It seems to me that this site is just as anti elist as MNS is pro elist. I wonder if some of you are more than meets the eye... I will continue to sleep very well at night on my simmons/sealy 4x pillowtop adjustable california king waterbed with a built in 72" plasma tv. Why do you write that this site is anti-Elist? Maybe having Chad Hedman post his experience with his revision surgery with Dr. Elist would help to convince you this forum is not anti- or pro-Elist. After all, he has his own thread with which to post: phalloplasty.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=articles&thread=56&page=1he can even post under his user names from MNS or TP, such as BTC, the Joker, Horse of Course, Cecil, Chaddick, or Crashex. Or is the reason you suspect this site is anti-Elist is because of censoring? I hope not. There has been no reported censoring by SO here on the forum, especially of guys who have had the implant. Has SO censored any of your postings here on the forum, or has he barred you from posting any of your post-op implant pictures? Please let us know, and I will write a very stern PM to SO!!
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Post by sheldon on Apr 27, 2011 17:34:10 GMT -5
Hello all, I had a fat injection surgery with Dr. Rheinschild 10 years ago. It was a disaster, the fat reabsorbed and I lost length due to him cutting my ligaments. I put up with this for a few years until I decided one day that I deserved to have this fixed. I approached the Dr, who was now working with Dr King and Krovosky, and told him I wanted to have another surgery so he could fix my broken, lumpy dick. He told me I would have to pay again; this obviously frustrated me so I told him to F off! A week later I got a call from Dan Salas; he said that if I talked to other patients that were considering the surgery, and told them how amazing it was, they would perform the surgery on me for free. At the time I was much more concerned with fixing my issues than I was with the other men that I would be leading down this road. So I accepted, I can tell you now that during my time there I responded to hundreds of emails from patients that were very dissatisfied with the surgery. NOT ONE PERSON THAT HAD SURGERY WITH DR R, DR KING OR DR KROVOSKY WAS SATISFIED. I never read one email, or got one phone call that talked about how good the results were, or how happy the customer was. This should serve as a warning to all people that are considering alloderm, belloderm, or fat transfers. These Dr's know that the surgery does not work, yet they keep trying to push limit with these crazy surgeries. One of the most deceptive practices that I witnessed was the intentional altering of before and after photos. They would bring a guy in that had an 8" flaccid dick, take a pic, and then post that as the after pic. Then they would have the guy ice his dick, so it would shrink up, take a pic of it and claim that was the before pic. I have much more info on these procedures, but I will save that for later. Did you work with Jeffrey from Dr. Rheinschild's office? Years ago when I called Dr. Rheinschild's office and spoke with him, he seemed somewhat distressed that all of his posts were deleted over at MNS whenever he would offer a rebuttal/explanation to all the negative Rheinschild comments. I believe he blamed that '#*@*#$@#% Chad Hedman for the deletions/censoring. If you could refer him over here, I am sure SO would be okay with that.
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Post by mrstone on May 6, 2011 12:38:26 GMT -5
Hello all, I am 6 weeks post op now. I am feeling much better, the swelling has gone down and my dick looks normal. I do have one question for the elist guys on here. At what point does your erection return to normal, what I mean is that when I lay down it points up to the ceiling. Usually it would lay flat on my stomach, is this something that goes away over time? The doctor said that as i get my length back it will start to bend more and more like normal. I would like to get some feedback from you guys on this.
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Post by mustang2020 on May 6, 2011 14:20:27 GMT -5
If you mean your erection angle, then it may never be the same (it will be lower) due to the weight and stiffness of the implant.
It also will take months for the flaccid angle to point down because the healing process takes a long time and your skin will have to stretch.
Sounds like you lost some erect length? can you expand on this?
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Post by mrstone on May 7, 2011 12:26:35 GMT -5
I dont mean the erection angle when I am standing up. When I lay down in bed it points up to the ceiling. It used to fall back on my stomach. Does this make sense? For those of you that Have had the implant does this go away?
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Post by mrstone on May 7, 2011 12:30:15 GMT -5
Mikehok wrote(in response to Mr. Stones claim): "I find it extremely difficult to believe that having the implant removed would still leave you with 1 inch of gain. Just my opinion." Actually, this is perhaps the one truthful thing this "Mr. Stone" has said. I had the implant removed and as a result, I gained almost an inch from this capsule…That being said, it appears that I am an anomaly. There have been no other reports of members (excuse the pun) on this site, who have had the implant removed, gaining anything close to that. How long was your implant in before you had it removed? Did you gain an inch in girth from your base to your head? What about your lenght, did you get any increase in flaccid or erect length.
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Post by messageman on May 7, 2011 12:58:03 GMT -5
Mikehok wrote(in response to Mr. Stones claim): "I find it extremely difficult to believe that having the implant removed would still leave you with 1 inch of gain. Just my opinion." Actually, this is perhaps the one truthful thing this "Mr. Stone" has said. I had the implant removed and as a result, I gained almost an inch from this capsule…That being said, it appears that I am an anomaly. There have been no other reports of members (excuse the pun) on this site, who have had the implant removed, gaining anything close to that. How long was your implant in before you had it removed? Did you gain an inch in girth from your base to your head? What about your lenght, did you get any increase in flaccid or erect length. Mr. Stone Why don't you ask these questions on MNS? Better yet, why don’t you ask the doctor? In response to your queries… I gained about ¾ of an inch in circumference from the capsule being formed. Through a rigorous stretching regime…Constant manual stretching day and night, using an ADS, and a penis pump…after about 8 weeks I was able to regain my original length (and a little more) Best to my knowledge, nobody else who has had it removed has this kind of luck…NOBODY. Most have lost at least an inch in length…And I know of one that has permanently lost 3 inches…Also, I seem to an anomaly with regard to the girth gain from the capsule…Nobody else I know has gained anything significant from the capsule being formed (after the removal of the implant). Judging from your questions, I am guessing that you may be having issues. Feel free to PM me if you don’t feel comfortable asking them on the site.
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Post by sheldon on May 27, 2011 22:29:38 GMT -5
Hello all, I had a fat injection surgery with Dr. Rheinschild 10 years ago. It was a disaster, the fat reabsorbed and I lost length due to him cutting my ligaments. I put up with this for a few years until I decided one day that I deserved to have this fixed. I approached the Dr, who was now working with Dr King and Krovosky, and told him I wanted to have another surgery so he could fix my broken, lumpy dick. He told me I would have to pay again; this obviously frustrated me so I told him to F off! A week later I got a call from Dan Salas; he said that if I talked to other patients that were considering the surgery, and told them how amazing it was, they would perform the surgery on me for free. At the time I was much more concerned with fixing my issues than I was with the other men that I would be leading down this road. So I accepted, I can tell you now that during my time there I responded to hundreds of emails from patients that were very dissatisfied with the surgery. NOT ONE PERSON THAT HAD SURGERY WITH DR R, DR KING OR DR KROVOSKY WAS SATISFIED. I never read one email, or got one phone call that talked about how good the results were, or how happy the customer was. This should serve as a warning to all people that are considering alloderm, belloderm, or fat transfers. These Dr's know that the surgery does not work, yet they keep trying to push limit with these crazy surgeries. One of the most deceptive practices that I witnessed was the intentional altering of before and after photos. They would bring a guy in that had an 8" flaccid dick, take a pic, and then post that as the after pic. Then they would have the guy ice his dick, so it would shrink up, take a pic of it and claim that was the before pic. I have much more info on these procedures, but I will save that for later. Could you explain that you say you had FFT with Dr. Rheinschild 10 years ago, which would be 2001, but Dr. Rheinschild did not do FFT in 2001. How did Chad Hedman help/counsel you when had those penile surgeries?
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