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Post by idm on Mar 18, 2011 18:13:58 GMT -5
MrStone,
Do I understand your post correctly, in that you had what you considered a botched phalloplasty w/Dr Rheinschild, and in order to have your revision performed gratis, you chose to work for this doctor and associates by misleading other men into a procedure that you believed was bound to be unsuccessful at best?
Please clarify.
Thank you
Idm
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Post by sheldon on Mar 18, 2011 21:39:56 GMT -5
I dont know anything about Dr Giunta, I would like to find out more about the Elist implant though. I have spoken with Dr Elist on the phone and he assures me that he can fix this problem. He stated that he has removed botched fat injection, alloderm, belloderm and dermal graft surgeries. I would like to know if anyone here has personal experience with this..... I have learned not to trust this industry, but I really want to at least get my dick back to normal. mrstone, Here is an example of a revision surgery by Dr. Elist to fix a botched 2nd dermal graft : www.surgeon4men.com/allimages.php?id=242&pro=Penile%20Reconstructionand some reasons why this patient had problems with his 2nd dermal graft : www.thundersplace.org/forum/showt....1&page=28&pp=15www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?50109-MYNEWSIZE-membersand about this patient's character: www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1444963#post1444963www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1404884#post1404884www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=103231&page=35&pp=15www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=103231&page=33&pp=15best of luck and I hope Dr. Elist can help you. Before you undergo surgery with Dr. Elist, you may want to write to some guys on this forum who had the implant and what they liked and didn't like about it. I am sure some members of this forum would be happy to give you their experience with the Elist implant such as messageman, mustang, mark, stalemongo, among others. When you talked with Dr. Elist, did he provide references of patients who had the implant and were willing to share their experiences about the implant with you? If so, did you call them and what did they say?
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Post by sheldon on Mar 18, 2011 21:41:21 GMT -5
Hello all, I had a fat injection surgery with Dr. Rheinschild 10 years ago. It was a disaster, the fat reabsorbed and I lost length due to him cutting my ligaments. I put up with this for a few years until I decided one day that I deserved to have this fixed. I approached the Dr, who was now working with Dr King and Krovosky, and told him I wanted to have another surgery so he could fix my broken, lumpy dick. He told me I would have to pay again; this obviously frustrated me so I told him to F off! A week later I got a call from Dan Salas; he said that if I talked to other patients that were considering the surgery, and told them how amazing it was, they would perform the surgery on me for free. At the time I was much more concerned with fixing my issues than I was with the other men that I would be leading down this road. So I accepted, I can tell you now that during my time there I responded to hundreds of emails from patients that were very dissatisfied with the surgery. NOT ONE PERSON THAT HAD SURGERY WITH DR R, DR KING OR DR KROVOSKY WAS SATISFIED. I never read one email, or got one phone call that talked about how good the results were, or how happy the customer was. This should serve as a warning to all people that are considering alloderm, belloderm, or fat transfers. These Dr's know that the surgery does not work, yet they keep trying to push limit with these crazy surgeries. One of the most deceptive practices that I witnessed was the intentional altering of before and after photos. They would bring a guy in that had an 8" flaccid dick, take a pic, and then post that as the after pic. Then they would have the guy ice his dick, so it would shrink up, take a pic of it and claim that was the before pic. I have much more info on these procedures, but I will save that for later. Could you give some background on this Dr. King?
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Post by idm on Mar 18, 2011 23:22:09 GMT -5
You state that you'd like to learn more about the Elist implant yet you had a telephone conversation? He assured you that he can fix basically every other pe surgery method currently available, (Those gone wrong of course)... Hmmm. I wonder what his position would be toward several of his former patients on this site who considered themselves "botched" by his silicone implant?
One has to be SO careful these days!
Fortunately w/resources like this one, those less than ethical practitioners who've used fraudulant tactics are being exposed and are going to take the financial hit. Hey I have a novel idea, maybe they should try something real outlandish, you know, think outside the box and go LEGIT! Like try a different kind of practice maybe, one that might enable them to actually help people and honor their professional oath!
Lots of clever guys here!
Good Luck Pal-
Idm
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Post by allofme2 on Mar 19, 2011 14:39:18 GMT -5
Mrstone - Elist will tell you anything you want to hear. If you asked him does he make mooncakes - he will tell you yes, even though he wouldn't have a clue what they are.
You might just find that it is the most expensive 'yes' you have ever fallen for.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 19, 2011 17:27:31 GMT -5
MrStone, Do I understand your post correctly, in that you had what you considered a botched phalloplasty w/Dr Rheinschild, and in order to have your revision performed gratis, you chose to work for this doctor and associates by misleading other men into a procedure that you believed was bound to be unsuccessful at best? Please clarify. Thank you Idm Yes, Yes, and Yes. As I stated earlier, I was more concerned with myself than I was with others. After I realized just how deceptive and unsuccessful the surgery was, I stopped working with them. Since I know the next question will be "why did I think the Dr that messed my dick up, would be able to fix it" I will just answer that now, This is not something that we can run to the local General Prac down the street and have them resolve it. My options were very limited and I felt as though they were the only ones that could help me. If I thought there was another way at the time, I would have done it. I just wanted to make the best of a bad situation.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 19, 2011 17:32:30 GMT -5
You state that you'd like to learn more about the Elist implant yet you had a telephone conversation? He assured you that he can fix basically every other pe surgery method currently available, (Those gone wrong of course)... Hmmm. I wonder what his position would be toward several of his former patients on this site who considered themselves "botched" by his silicone implant? One has to be SO careful these days! Fortunately w/resources like this one, those less than ethical practitioners who've used fraudulant tactics are being exposed and are going to take the financial hit. Hey I have a novel idea, maybe they should try something real outlandish, you know, think outside the box and go LEGIT! Like try a different kind of practice maybe, one that might enable them to actually help people and honor their professional oath! Lots of clever guys here! Good Luck Pal- Idm Yes I have spoken with Dr Elist, but considering that I used to be the guy on the phone talking about how amazing the surgery was ( For almost every Dr besides Elist ) I know that a phone call can not answer all my doubts. I would be very interested to know more about the results of the guys that had the implant.
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Post by idm on Mar 19, 2011 19:52:03 GMT -5
I'm not one of his patients. There are a number of men who've had surgery w/him here, their accounts are well supported w/long histories of posting on this and the other sites. Mixed reviews to say the least, but they will speak for themselves.
Idm
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Post by mrstone on Mar 21, 2011 11:50:33 GMT -5
I'm not one of his patients. There are a number of men who've had surgery w/him here, their accounts are well supported w/long histories of posting on this and the other sites. Mixed reviews to say the least, but they will speak for themselves. Idm I would like to hear from former elist patients, when I called I spoke to a guy named Bryan, one of the few numbers that Dr. Elists office provided. He stated that he was very happy with the implant and would not change a thing, he also said that he would do it all over again if he had to. I know there are happy Dr. Elist patients out there, but I would like to find more of them. I asked the Dr. what would happen in the event the implant had to be removed. Here is what he said, if the implant is removed before the "capsule" is formed than the patient will return to their original girth. Yet if the patient has the implant in for a extended period of time, more then 6 months, the capsule will have formed and the removal of the implant will still give the patient a 1'' gain in girth, in comparison to pre surgery size. He said that this is because of the capsule itself. So here is my question to those of you that have had the implant removed. How long was it in for? If more than 6 months, did you gain any girth in comparison to your pre op stats? I will not have another surgery unless I feel 100% comfortable about the outcome. I was able to speak with a guy from san diego, David, that had the implant removed after a year because his wife said he was to fat. He confirmed the story the Dr told me and said that he was now 6'' in girth, with no cone shape, as opposed to 7" with the implant and 5'' before surgery. Please give me your thoughts.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 24, 2011 13:41:29 GMT -5
I have decided to proceed and have surgery with Dr Elist. I am scheduled for next week, he will be doing reconstructive surgery and putting the implant in. If any of you that have had the surgery can give me any pointers I would greatly appreciate it.
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Post by skatezy777 on Mar 24, 2011 13:51:46 GMT -5
Hi mrstone,
I would be very, very cautious about proceeding. Marknmau had a successful result, but my sense is that the implant has a very mixed track record with several people reporting loss of erect length.
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 24, 2011 14:08:14 GMT -5
Why would anyone have the implant put in after joining this forum? It beggars belief.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 24, 2011 14:10:47 GMT -5
I will not have another surgery unless I feel 100% comfortable about the outcome. Do you sincerely feel this way about the Elist implant after all the available information here and elsewhere on the web? I'm not going to tell you which procedure is right for you, but if your criteria was comfort, I'd imagine that the Elist option would be less likely, no? May I ask what lead you to become comfortable with the Elist implant? Surely I hope it wasn't the phone calls you made to former Elist patients, because you of all people know how questionable that information can be. So that leaves you with two other sources: the doctor, and message board material. The doctor will obviously tell you his way is "best," so that leaves us with the forum contributors here, both who have had it and who have not had it but have a good understanding of the implant's workings. If I were in your shoes, that wouldn't exactly leave me "comfortable." Granted, it is arguable that all methods can achieve success (since I know of at least one definitive outcome for each girth procedure out there), but from someone who has endured what you have endured in the past, I'm rather surprised on the quick decision. Then again maybe you have been giving it long thought and I'm simply unaware. Please chime in.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 24, 2011 14:22:49 GMT -5
I will not have another surgery unless I feel 100% comfortable about the outcome. Do you sincerely feel this way about the Elist implant after all the available information here and elsewhere on the web? I'm not going to tell you which procedure is right for you, but if your criteria was comfort, I'd imagine that the Elist option would be less likely, no? May I ask what lead you to become comfortable with the Elist implant? Surely I hope it wasn't the phone calls you made to former Elist patients, because you of all people know how questionable that information can be. So that leaves you with two other sources: the doctor, and message board material. The doctor will obviously tell you his way is "best," so that leaves us with the forum contributors here, both who have had it and who have not had it but have a good understanding of the implant's workings. If I were in your shoes, that wouldn't exactly leave me "comfortable." Granted, it is arguable that all methods can achieve success (since I know of at least one definitive outcome for each girth procedure out there), but from someone who has endured what you have endured in the past, I'm rather surprised on the quick decision. Then again maybe you have been giving it long thought and I'm simply unaware. Please to chime in. Thank you for your support, I admit this is a somewhat rushed decision, yet I feel as though there is no other choice. I know for certain that the dermal grafts, belloderm and fat injections do not work. This is the only other option on the table and I can’t get any worse than I am now. I have met with the Dr, and I feel that he is very genuine in his desire to help me. Considering the good and bad reviews online (which we never know if we can trust or not) and the phone calls to former patients, I must place the highest emphasis on my gut feeling. In my gut I do believe that the Dr can fix my dick. I know what does not work, and all I can do is hope that this does work. You can rest assured that I will keep you all updated every step of the way, and if there is any deceptive behavior from him I will be all over it. I hope that this works out and I hope you all pray for me. I just want my dick to be normal, or as close to it as it can be...
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 24, 2011 14:24:25 GMT -5
I would also suggest checking out: phalloplasty.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=articles&action=display&thread=201 Be sure to read the entire thread, I know it is long (5 pages) but it is worth for your sake. This thread isn't about the procedure itself, but about the practices surrounding the procedure. I figured you could relate to this matter in particular. There are also a variety of posts and threads regarding the good & bad of the procedure, but I'd imagine you'd be aware of that by now, at least I hope. Good luck!
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