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Post by mrstone on Mar 18, 2011 11:39:37 GMT -5
Hello all,
I had a fat injection surgery with Dr. Rheinschild 10 years ago. It was a disaster, the fat reabsorbed and I lost length due to him cutting my ligaments. I put up with this for a few years until I decided one day that I deserved to have this fixed. I approached the Dr, who was now working with Dr King and Krovosky, and told him I wanted to have another surgery so he could fix my broken, lumpy dick. He told me I would have to pay again; this obviously frustrated me so I told him to F off! A week later I got a call from Dan Salas; he said that if I talked to other patients that were considering the surgery, and told them how amazing it was, they would perform the surgery on me for free. At the time I was much more concerned with fixing my issues than I was with the other men that I would be leading down this road. So I accepted, I can tell you now that during my time there I responded to hundreds of emails from patients that were very dissatisfied with the surgery. NOT ONE PERSON THAT HAD SURGERY WITH DR R, DR KING OR DR KROVOSKY WAS SATISFIED. I never read one email, or got one phone call that talked about how good the results were, or how happy the customer was. This should serve as a warning to all people that are considering alloderm, belloderm, or fat transfers. These Dr's know that the surgery does not work, yet they keep trying to push limit with these crazy surgeries. One of the most deceptive practices that I witnessed was the intentional altering of before and after photos. They would bring a guy in that had an 8" flaccid dick, take a pic, and then post that as the after pic. Then they would have the guy ice his dick, so it would shrink up, take a pic of it and claim that was the before pic. I have much more info on these procedures, but I will save that for later.
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Post by sparticus on Mar 18, 2011 11:46:53 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. Any info that can help prevent others from being harmed is welcome here.
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 18, 2011 12:00:59 GMT -5
Rheinschild never did fat injection surgery. Not doubting your story, as it is a true reflection of what the PE business has always been like. Lots of unhappy patients, some relatively satisfied and only a few delighted in the same way most women getting boob jobs seem to be post op. But you never had fat injection with Rhienchild, maybe you mean you had a dermal graft.
In answer to your question, yes this stuff does work, but not nearly as often as it should, for it to be considered a viable elective costmetci procedure, for most men. In my opinion no one should consider these procedures unless they are genuinely on the small side and have a tough time coming to terms with that, to the point they are unhappy in their lives.
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Post by sheldon on Mar 18, 2011 12:24:44 GMT -5
This is very interesting.
mrstone, are you sure it was was fat injection and not dermal grafts? As hoddle mentioned, Rheinschild never did fat injections (to the best of my knowledge) it was always dermals and/or alloderm.
Could you provide more information about this Dr. King?
I certainly admire your stance about refusing free surgery in exchange for telling how great PE surgery is with these doctors to other men.
That's quite an interesting gimmick regarding the before and after pictures - does anyone know if this is how one patient of Dr. Rheinschild, Jim R, got such good results? I may have the before and after of Jim R from Dr. Rheinschild site and could post it if I still have it and if it would be okay with S.O.
You mention you got a call from Dan Salas about talking to other patients, and as many people know, Dan Salas used to work for Dr. Rheinschild. Did you receive any calls from Chad Hedman? Any thoughts on him? You can always read the thread about Mr. Hedman on this forum. Any thoughts about Chad Hedman?
Any thoughts/experiences about Dr. Elist and Dr. Giunta?
Some interesting information in your post…
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Post by mrstone on Mar 18, 2011 12:27:24 GMT -5
Rheinschild never did fat injection surgery. Not doubting your story, as it is a true reflection of what the PE business has always been like. Lots of unhappy patients, some relatively satisfied and only a few delighted in the same way most women getting boob jobs seem to be post op. But you never had fat injection with Rhienchild, maybe you mean you had a dermal graft. In answer to your question, yes this stuff does work, but not nearly as often as it should, for it to be considered a viable elective costmetci procedure, for most men. In my opinion no one should consider these procedures unless they are genuinely on the small side and have a tough time coming to terms with that, to the point they are unhappy in their lives. I did have the fat injection with Rheinschild, he did fat injections before he did the dermal grafts. This was when he was working with Dr. Reinstien and Krovosky was his anesthesiologist
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 18, 2011 12:29:05 GMT -5
mrstone, your post is extremely insightful and extremely damning of the industry. I was always under the impression that those who "you could call about success stories," were simply given discounts or free surgeries. Please continue to share with us what you know, it is imperative everyone who ventures into the realm of phalloplasty is aware of the risks involved, not just with the procedure, but with the doctors themselves. Rheinschild, Rosenthal, Knight, Krakovsky, and Elist have had their share of botched stories. There are other doctors with a better record, only having mostly aesthetic complaints (i.e. Giunta). This forum was intended to sift through the options, doctors, and methods to determine what option was best for penis enlargement. I think ultimately greed plays a role in this field since the money is really really good. I think it is the high demand and low supply that allows these handful of doctors to charge an arm & a leg for the procedures. I believe one day there will be a viable option for girth (and possibly length) enhancement, and that is why we are here today. Researching, debating, conversing in order to share developments & advancements in the art of phalloplasty so that maybe we can find a procedure that is safe, effective, and right for us. For some, that may be no procedure at all. For others, like the Dr. Casavantes thread, are taking one for the team. Time will tell, and welcome aboard!
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 18, 2011 12:36:55 GMT -5
Rheinschild never did fat injection surgery. Not doubting your story, as it is a true reflection of what the PE business has always been like. Lots of unhappy patients, some relatively satisfied and only a few delighted in the same way most women getting boob jobs seem to be post op. But you never had fat injection with Rhienchild, maybe you mean you had a dermal graft. In answer to your question, yes this stuff does work, but not nearly as often as it should, for it to be considered a viable elective costmetci procedure, for most men. In my opinion no one should consider these procedures unless they are genuinely on the small side and have a tough time coming to terms with that, to the point they are unhappy in their lives. I did have the fat injection with Rheinschild, he did fat injections before he did the dermal grafts. This was when he was working with Dr. Reinstien and Krovosky was his anesthesiologist Rheinschild never worked with Rosenstien. Rhienchild never did fat injections. Rosenthal worked with Rosnenstein and at that time did fat injections. I think you've got the names muddled up because they are all so similar. I think it sounds like you had fat injection with Rosenthal when he was working at Rosensteins clinic. Would that sound about right?
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Post by mrstone on Mar 18, 2011 12:39:40 GMT -5
This is very interesting. mrstone, are you sure it was was fat injection and not dermal grafts? As hoddle mentioned, Rheinschild never did fat injections (to the best of my knowledge) it was always dermals and/or alloderm. Could you provide more information about this Dr. King? I certainly admire your stance about refusing free surgery in exchange for telling how great PE surgery is with these doctors to other men. That's quite an interesting gimmick regarding the before and after pictures - does anyone know if this is how one patient of Dr. Rheinschild, Jim R, got such good results? I may have the before and after of Jim R from Dr. Rheinschild site and could post it if I still have it and if it would be okay with S.O. You mention you got a call from Dan Salas about talking to other patients, and as many people know, Dan Salas used to work for Dr. Rheinschild. Did you receive any calls from Chad Hedman? Any thoughts on him? You can always read the thread about Mr. Hedman on this forum. Any thoughts about Chad Hedman? Any thoughts/experiences about Dr. Elist and Dr. Giunta? Some interesting information in your post… I dont know anything about Dr Giunta, I would like to find out more about the Elist implant though. I have spoken with Dr Elist on the phone and he assures me that he can fix this problem. He stated that he has removed botched fat injection, alloderm, belloderm and dermal graft surgeries. I would like to know if anyone here has personal experience with this..... I have learned not to trust this industry, but I really want to at least get my dick back to normal. BTW, I think you may have read my post wrong, I did work for them for a while. I was more concerned with my dick than anything else. Now I hope I can shed some light on these practices.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 18, 2011 12:44:25 GMT -5
I did have the fat injection with Rheinschild, he did fat injections before he did the dermal grafts. This was when he was working with Dr. Reinstien and Krovosky was his anesthesiologist Rheinschild never worked with Rosenstien. Rhienchild never did fat injections. Rosenthal worked with Rosnenstein and at that time did fat injections. I think you've got the names muddled up because they are all so similar. I think it sounds like you had fat injection with Rosenthal when he was working at Rosensteins clinic. Would that sound about right? Ha Ha, Well the names are similar, but I am positive that It was Rheinschild. Like I stated in the first post, I worked with him and several other Dr's that were all associated with Dan Salas. Rosenthal did not come into the group until around the same time I started to work with them.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 18, 2011 12:47:29 GMT -5
mrstonewould you say Dan Salas was partly responsible for the shady tactics employed by the phalloplasty doctors you refer to?
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 18, 2011 12:48:32 GMT -5
Oh and, mrstone, what prompted you to find our site, and how did you find it? I need to start asking new members that since when we first opened we were hardly visible on Google. Just curious, thanks!
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 18, 2011 13:13:06 GMT -5
Rheinschild never worked with Rosenstien. Rhienchild never did fat injections. Rosenthal worked with Rosnenstein and at that time did fat injections. I think you've got the names muddled up because they are all so similar. I think it sounds like you had fat injection with Rosenthal when he was working at Rosensteins clinic. Would that sound about right? Ha Ha, Well the names are similar, but I am positive that It was Rheinschild. Like I stated in the first post, I worked with him and several other Dr's that were all associated with Dan Salas. Rosenthal did not come into the group until around the same time I started to work with them. Again I'm not doubting your story, I just think there is some confusion. Dan Salas only came into contact with Rhienchild as a result of having a botched FFT. He then performed Dan's dermal graft and I'm sure their buisness was all about slating FFT and promoting dermal grafts. There are articles written by Rhienchild as long ago as 1994 and his price even back then only includes dermals, lengthening and reconstruction. Maybe for a short period of time he experimented with FFT for some reason and you were a guinea pig. He was always very much against FFT as far as I know, so perhaps he thought he'd come up with some new way of preventing the fat from reabsorbing or something like that. It wouldn't suprise me if that was the case, as Dr's in this industry seem to have a habbit of charging men thousands of dollars to let them experiment on their dicks.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 18, 2011 15:17:01 GMT -5
mrstonewould you say Dan Salas was partly responsible for the shady tactics employed by the phalloplasty doctors you refer to? I will say that he was involved. I am not sure what constitutes defamation charges, so I will keep my answer short. He had absolute knowledge of the practices the Dr's were involved in.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 18, 2011 15:19:23 GMT -5
Ha Ha, Well the names are similar, but I am positive that It was Rheinschild. Like I stated in the first post, I worked with him and several other Dr's that were all associated with Dan Salas. Rosenthal did not come into the group until around the same time I started to work with them. Again I'm not doubting your story, I just think there is some confusion. Dan Salas only came into contact with Rhienchild as a result of having a botched FFT. He then performed Dan's dermal graft and I'm sure their buisness was all about slating FFT and promoting dermal grafts. There are articles written by Rhienchild as long ago as 1994 and his price even back then only includes dermals, lengthening and reconstruction. Maybe for a short period of time he experimented with FFT for some reason and you were a guinea pig. He was always very much against FFT as far as I know, so perhaps he thought he'd come up with some new way of preventing the fat from reabsorbing or something like that. It wouldn't suprise me if that was the case, as Dr's in this industry seem to have a habbit of charging men thousands of dollars to let them experiment on their dicks. This seems like the most plausible explanation. That makes me feel even better.
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Post by mrstone on Mar 18, 2011 15:21:17 GMT -5
Oh and, mrstone, what prompted you to find our site, and how did you find it? I need to start asking new members that since when we first opened we were hardly visible on Google. Just curious, thanks! I googled Dr. Elist, you guys are 5 or 6 spots down with a link to a video of the surgery.
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