Thank you for your post. You bring up some interesting points. I too have wondered about the collagen breaking down as we age and what it might mean for the implant. I'm actually planning on going to see Dr. Casavantes for a consultation before deciding on the procedure (I'm L.A. based so a trip to TJ is easy) and will ask him about this, but if anyone else on the board has any thoughts/opinions on this concern please share them.
My wife of almost 15 years was completely against me having the PMMA girth enhancement. She said she was completely satisfied and didn't know why I wanted my penis thicker. I told her I was not doing it for her, but that I was doing it for my own self esteem.
I compared it to some of her friends (who have been married for many years) who have had breast augmentation. They didn't do it because their husbands told them they were too small, they did it to feel better about themselves. Of course my wife doesn't have to worry about this problem because she has natural 36 Ds (LOL)!
Anyway, when I pointed this out to her, she reluctantly agreed that, if I was having girth enhancement to feel better about myself, she was OK with it. We haven't had sex yet since I am less than 3 weeks post op, but when it happens I will let you guys know how it goes.
Hello, new to the board, but have been reading up on this topic for a little while. I appreciate this forum existing as an unbiased source for people to discuss this topic and share their experiences.
It appears many members are excited about PMMA as some members have received the procedure and have reported good girth size increases, minimal changes in feeling, and relative minimal detectability of the procedure (except the ring issue). However, I would like to caution members who are considering this procedure without doing much research outside of this forum. PMMA, from what I have read, has serious potential issues in the future. Some of the top US dermatologists have argued against it for even its on-label use and other permanent fillers because of the non-absorbable materials used. From what I have read, the issues can arise short term, but many do not become apparent for years. I read one case of granuloma formation occurring in a patient receiving PMMA 10 years after the injection (non-penile area), not a claim, but an actual documented medical case. The substance is also difficult to remove if you do have a reaction or an issue in the future as its not one piece, its a large number of plastic microbeads and any corrective surgery may more accurately classified as damage control. Furthermore, assuming no negative reaction or infection occurs, the issue of migration still exists. There are studies on this and I only glanced over one, it generally said in the few years they examined the patients that there was little to no incidence of migration, although I have read other people on the net claiming other studies showed its potential to migrate was higher than initially thought. Without stating a study to back me up, what I do know is that PMMA is held in place by a collagen matrix that your body forms around it. Collagen degenerates as we age and there are no studies that track patients long enough to know if the PMMA will migrate as this natural breakdown process occurs.
I am not writing this to push any PE method over another, in fact I agree with the mainstream medical establishment that ALL of the current PE methods are not well evidenced to be safe or effective. Not to say they can't work for some people, there just isn't a lot of research or even anecdotal evidence supporting that they work for most people or are safe. Sorry if this sounds overly preachy, but I just think given how emotional this topic is, I know people can make rash decisions. I just felt obligated to state a warning to encourage others to research PMMA more before getting it.
PMMA has shown short-term success with some of our members, but its long-term safety and effects are not well known. According to Dr. Casavantes, its safe and permanent, but obviously as we've learned in the past, doctors can be wrong too.
As for migration, I was under the impression that because collagen forms around the pmma beads, that it was essentially "locked in place," and thus unable to migrate. And furthermore, migration issues are minimized/eliminated when the doctor injects it in the right place using the proper technique. Correct me if I'm mistaken anyone. Most migration issues I've read about (research conducted beyond this forum), usually involved silicone gel and/or improper injection techniques (i.e. underground injection parties).
As for granulomas, Dr. Casavantes did in fact acknowledge the risk, especially when large volumes are used on the penis. According to the doctor, he believes 1-2 sessions of about 15cc should be sufficient and has advised on the risks of over-filling. He also mentioned that the granulomas can be repaired, but as we all know that also usually equals additional costs. I'll check with their office to see if granulomas can be a risk with the recommended volumes of PMMA in the penis. Obviously we are at the mercy of the doctor's data since most PMMA info on the web does not pertain to penile application.
Sparticus, I share your concern about the long-term effects of PMMA. While I'm comfortable with the current science behind it, I know it isn't the full picture. Obviously, PMMA is not natural or tissue-based, and that warrants some concern. I'm on the fence with PMMA, considering it as a dual-step enhancement with Staged FFT-PRP (though this is all tentative and unconfirmed). Hopefully we'll learn more as time goes on... and fortunately we have great members who have detailed their progress with the injections. I agree that we should all research PMMA beyond this forum, but I ask that if anyone finds any important links/resources to share them here. This forum is intended to eventually become comprehensive on all things penis surgery. Sparticus, if you have any links/resources on some of the medical reports on PMMA injections, please share!
Good luck! I wonder how much of the stress leading up to that "day" is excitement, and how much of it is anxiety...but hopefully it's more exciting than anxious! We look forward to hearing from you and hope you heal well!
Thanks fellas I appreciate the kind words, I just got hear and I'm in my hotel waiting patiently. You guys got me a little worried with the earlier post, but I'm at the point of no return now. I'll keep y'all posted and thanks for all the kind words
@ Docsavage Thanks for the help, I will try that and see how it goes. My woman is a hard ass french bitch therefore she is stubborn like I am. I am looking in to phoning today to secure a appointment day. Then I will tell her.
@ ALL When I get my appointment day I will start in the picture process. I will keep everyone up to date and answer all questions.
I will absolutely convey all info that I find out from Dr. C from my in-person consultation, although it probably won't be for another month. I'm ordering my passport tomorrow and it will take a couple of weeks to arrive.
If you do contact Dr. C's office about granulomas, can you also ask about collogen breakdown over time? I'd do it myself, but to tell the truth I've been pestering Wade with questions and don't want to bother him anymore until I'm ready to book my appointment.
Hey fellas just got finish and I'm really really happy I have before and after pics! Everything went better then I expected. I also ask the question about long term of the collagen breaking down, he said no( 30)thirty years from now it would be the same. And question feel free. I will be boarding the plain in about a hour!
justpitchingin: Anyways.. I have had the Elist procedure.. only 14 weeks post-op.. So far so good.. But be warned the girth is actually something that may not be appreciated as it may be a bit much for folks that are not into girth..
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happy: guys that had Elist surgery recently and are recovering and all is well...I'd like to communicate with guys that had the surgery within the last year so I can gauge my progress
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hunkchunk: Hi Skeptical One, I hope this posting reaches you. You're aware that the new forum is down and I thought maybe you could post here if this one will be revived or if another hosting platform is forthcoming. Thanks and see you in the threads ! Hunk Chunk
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naginati: Hunkchunk! I started a reddit group, search for phalloboards. It's a way to communicate at least.
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growing: Why I cannot post any new topics?
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hacid: Why can't I post on this forum??
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sxybst: yes, what the heck happened?
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herbertwest: Hi everyone! I'm also wondering, what's happened with site? Guys, please, write your emails to SO or Hoddle10, we need to return the forum.
P.S. Reklaw, if you read this, please PM me or send me email, you know my email adress.
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champ101: Dr Colin Moore is a butcher, NEVER allow him anywhere near your penis. His work is VERY bad and his fees are far in excess of others who complete these surgeries much better. He could not care less about his patients, his work is VERY bad.
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