Heard of PMMA (Medical Grade) OR Dr Casavantes?

[dog]

This guy has been using PMMA for about 7-10 years and alot of it was for AIDS patients who had lipodystrophy/facial wasting due to HIV medication. It seemed safe for people with compromised immune systems.

The reason I know this is I had a friend who went to Mexico to get this as a facial filler. He hasn't had any issues that I know of.

From what I understand, it was pretty successful but there were some issues of infection even around 7-10 years. I'm also not sure how easy removal would be if it needed to be done. Something to think about.

I also remember a discussion on MNS but no one actually had it.

[Skeptical One]

PMMA is slowly but surely climbing up my ladder of options...

[dog]

I need to correct myself.

PMMA and BioAlcamid were both used for hiv patients. BioAlcamid was the one that had a slight incidence of infections after several years.

PMMA has been used quite a bit, but I have heard that it can create nodule or bumps sometimes. But could be form how it is manufactured and how it is injected.

I had a friend who was a an MD and he trained other physicians on how to inject another filler called NuFill. He said that almost all of the issues of lumpiness wer related to how competent the dr who was doing the injection. It takes artful skill.

[dog]

Dec 1, 2010 13:39:11 GMT -5 wantmore said:

I wonder if PMMA would work with those of us who already have the Dr. Elist implant? If it's injected under the skin, just maybe it would create a softer barrier around the implant than the thin capsule that forms, which could make the penis feel more natural.

Hey Wantmore.

I am wondering the same thing.

How have ya been?

[envisionmore]

S.O. I sent over your questions as well as the question about PMMA with Elist implant (Boy you Elist guys would be enormous!).
S.O. If you decide to have this procedure how soon were you looking?

I too am really thinking about going.. probably in January (especially since we haven't heard back from Dr. Runels). I live on the east coast as well so one injection would be really nice however I'm thinking it's a safety thing or it maybe to much at one time could create a lumpy result(?)... we'll find out.

I received a message from Dr Casavantes nurse this evening. He apologized that Dr Casavantes has not had the time to thoroughly answer all of our questions but will do so very soon.

I know he's meeting with Dr Nacul (inventor of Bioplasty PMMA) this week sometime. So maybe this is why it's taking some time for him to respond.

dog...Dr C said you can get nodules with the PMMA if it's not properly injected. You definitely have to be picky about who the Doctor is injecting the PMMA and what type of PMMA is being injected. Your right it takes a lot of skill.

[Skeptical One]

envision, if i were to decide to commit to this route (and I'd still have some additional consulting to do), it would likely be between February-March of next year.

I really wish we could find someone who has had it done...wonder if the doctor's office is willing to connect you with former patients like some doctors do here in the states. The one thing that needs to be answered that cannot possibly be answered accurately by the doc's office is how "it feels." There is no way the doc will tell you "its artificial so expect it to feel fake." Obviously I shouldn't complain since I'm in dire need of girth, but when I think of this PMMA gel I imagine something squishy and fluid, especially since they use it in other body parts that are typically soft (buttox, wrinkles, etc).

It'll be great when we hear back from both Dr. Runels and Dr. Casavantes

[wantmore]

Dec 2, 2010 22:17:50 GMT -5 dog said:

Dec 1, 2010 13:39:11 GMT -5 wantmore said:

I wonder if PMMA would work with those of us who already have the Dr. Elist implant? If it's injected under the skin, just maybe it would create a softer barrier around the implant than the thin capsule that forms, which could make the penis feel more natural.

Hey Wantmore.

I am wondering the same thing.

How have ya been?

Hi Dog,

I've been great. I love my implant. I've not only gotten back to my original length, but have gained about .25”; it goes up and down by a small margin depending on how turned on I am. Over the past 4-5 months I’ve made a determined commitment to use the AutoExtender ADS. My progress seems to have stalled over the last month so I switched up my routine last week to try and spur new growth. Either way I am committed to using it until this time next year to see if anymore gains are possible. From what I’ve been reading about how Dr. Elist is now attaching the implant in a different manner so length gains are easier makes me wonder if the .25” is the best I can hope for with his old attachment method, or does it mean that gains are still possible but will take more time.

It would be nice if this PMMA could be used in conjunction with the implant. Have a softer, more natural feeling penis is always a plus, and just maybe it would also hide the edges.

The last time we spoke I knew you had some length loss after removing the implant, but I recently read in another thread that you've lost 3 inches. I really feel for you, since going from 7.5" to 4.5" would drive me over the edge. Anytime you need to talk, you have my number.

WM

[stormy]

The idea of using PMMA as a final touch up procedure to soften up the edges and protrusions that can occur from Elist's procedure sounds very interesting.

I would assume since PMMA with respects to use for penis augmentation would be a subcutaneous procedure then injecting it after having Elist's done would suggest the PMMA is injected in between the layer of the skin and the capsule as puncturing the capsule would definitely not be wanted.

As dog pointed out, I'd imagine the artful skill part would be of great importance here.
Would the Doctor just want to inject PMMA at spots that needed it or would he want to inject enough to create a small layer that surrounded the whole shaft of the penis which in turn would envelop the capsule containing the implant?
Also, I would assume that that could even spur on more tissue to surround the PMMA...?


I'm looking forward to reading new info as it develops regarding this techinque. Thanks guys for sharing what you've got so far.

[Skeptical One]

I'm stalling on PMMA as of now...while I'm sure its safe, it still conceivably poses the risk of leakage and ultimately a pulmonary embolism (which has a whole host of consequences). While I'm not trying to dramatize the nature of this procedure, for me there have been cases to warrant concern.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1232381/Solange-Magnano-Miss-Argentina-dies-buttock-implants-operation.html
and
inyourface.ocregister.com/2010/07/29/another-buttock-injection-death/19567/

Granted, these procedures used injectable fillers in the buttocks, but I'm not so sure I'm much "safer" having it put into the penis. Typically these procedures used silicone gel-type fillers, but I'm not sure why PMMA particles couldn't be just as risky if it were to mistakenly migrate into the blood stream?

If I could be sure of its safety and be given an explanation as to
1) If PMMA migrated, does it pose health risks?
2) Can PMMA migrate from its injection site (specifically in the penis)?
3) Why isn't silicone gel used by the doctor? What benefit does PMMA have over it?
--- maybe then I'd reconsider...especially given the cost-to-potential gain ratio.


Again, I'm not trying to dramatize the potential risks of PMMA, but injectable fillers (while common) have that occasional risk of migration.

[Skeptical One]

Envision, any news from the doc's office regarding the last batch of questions?

[Skeptical One]

Okay maybe a "180" on the subject matter but I have found this link:

dermnetnz.org/procedures/pmma.html

It states that: PMMA implantation is considered permanent. Within the first 1 to 3 months after treatment with Artecoll®, the bovine collagen vehicle degrades and is replaced with the body's own new collagen tissue. This binds to and encapsulates the PMMA microspheres into place thus preventing migration.

The parent site I found that link at had a person summarize the above article by stating:
By the body forming collagen around the PMMA (encapsulation) prevents the PMMA from migrating throughout the body. (source: messageboards.makemeheal.com/buttocks-augmentation/buttock-augmentation-bioplasty-pmma-websites-look-t96759.html).

Sounds like my concerns in the previous post may be alleviated...assuming the above link is valid and accurate...and that this mechanism of encapsulation pertains to the same type of PMMA used in the Dr. Casavantes's procedure.

We'll see though, still love to hear from the doc's office.

[envisionmore]

Just wanted to give an update.... I haven't heard from either Doctor as of yet but I have emailed Dr Casavantes again today to make sure he hasn't forgotten about us.

Good question S.O. I have also included the question about death in the email today. The only thing I've read or heard about death is in the "old" way of injecting. In which the filler was accidentally injected into the blood stream. The invention of Bioplasty by Dr Nacul has crossed this out in todays use. I've been reassured by several Doctors that use Medical grade PMMA the risk of migration is zero.

I'm finding there are Sooooo many "Practitioners" injecting their "own" formulation of PMMA whether Medical Doctors or Non Medical Practitioners that it is hard to distinguish who went to a M.D. or an injection party or a back alley or a basement etc. While reading it's also hard to know what type of PMMA was used unless specifically stated (since there are so many different types). I've read on MakeMeHeal several times these women wanting Butt injections are planning to go to an "Injection Party" at someone's house and they are injecting PMMA (non medical form). Which means it could be anything going into their butts. So the risk with this type of non medical PMMA is high I'm sure. They are also only paying like $1500 to $2000 when Dr Casavantes told me the cost for buttock augmentation was $3500 up to $6000 to inject that amount of Medical PMMA into the buttocks. This seems to be where the complications are from (from my own research). For the most part the people that write in and say they love their PMMA results are the one's that went to Doctor "So and So" in Mexico or Brazil.

While researching this weekend I found more photo blogs. I also went back and looked at the photo blog that was posted last week. That guy went to Dr. Marcio at Clinica Plenus in Brazil. Here's his website www.clinicaplenus.com.br
He uses a medical PMMA called Metacril. Metacril and New Plastic are the two PMMA's that are approved by the ANVISA (Brazil's FDA).

Here's a picture blog of results using PMMA Metacril. You can read under the pictures how much Metacril was injected and what the gains were.

www.fotologaumentopeniano.blogshot.com/

Dr Marcio at Clinica Plenus also performs lengthening surgery. He cuts the ligaments and places a spacer in the gap where the ligs were cut. His website says that girth gains up to 5 cm are possible with PMMA. If you can read Portuguese he has a lot about PE as well as Glans Enhancement. I have also sent him an email asking a few questions but no response yet.

I wish one of these Doctors would respond! LOL..... The more I read about this procedure and the more I come across pictures the antsier I get.

After looking at pictures I think I would want the Glans enlarged as well since the shaft becomes so large. I think it would be more aesthetically pleasing to look at.

I will let you guys know as soon as I hear something which is hopefully soon.

[envisionmore]

Sorry.

I messed up on the link for the photos it's actually

fotologaumentopeniano.blogspot.com/

[envisionmore]

I read tonight that PMMA does not feel soft or hard under the skin but feels more like cartilage once encapsulated by your own collagen.

[Skeptical One]

Backyard injection parties?? Underground medicine??

Try this one:
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/08/national/main6278045.shtml