Heard of PMMA (Medical Grade) OR Dr Casavantes?

[mrdeezy]

Jun 9, 2011 16:47:59 GMT -5 hoddle10 said:

I think the smaller you start with, the bigger your gains will be. 16cc on a small girth is going to yield a bigger gain than 18cc on an average girth. This is why most secondary procedures see less gains. 20cc on the first procedure seems to give around 0.75" gain, but second procedures with the same amount will naturally yield less, as the PMMA has to cover a larger surface area. Given SO's starting stats, I'd say that despite having less put in that many others, he'll probably gain an inch or more in erect girth.

I think you're right about that. If my 6th grade math is right you'll need about double the volume to go from 6 to 6.75 vs 4.75 to 5.5. It makes much more difference than length. My 2nd session made a big difference visually, but didn't register much on the tape measure. Once you get up into the 5-6's it takes a lot of extra volume to get that same gain of .5-.75 even though volume wise you probably have gotten the same gain (which is what really counts in the end).

[hunkchunk]

Hi Guys,

I didn't want to start a new thread to address this question so here it is in the general PMMA thread where almost everybody comes for an update once in a while. It is what sort of extender device would be the easiest to use for Post Operative healing after PMMA injections by Dr C. Some have said they are useful to ensure even spreading of injected product prior to its settling in fixated form for even collagen stimulation and regular girth gains. I don't do manual PE so I am not at all familiar with it, and don't plan on using an extender to gain in length preferring other means which promise a potentially greater measure of effectiveness. So I would purchase on for this one time use. Thanks for your advice.

HC

[Skeptical One]

Jun 11, 2011 16:26:39 GMT -5 hunkchunk said:

Hi Guys,

I didn't want to start a new thread to address this question so here it is in the general PMMA thread where almost everybody comes for an update once in a while. It is what sort of extender device would be the easiest to use for Post Operative healing after PMMA injections by Dr C. Some have said they are useful to ensure even spreading of injected product prior to its settling in fixated form for even collagen stimulation and regular girth gains. I don't do manual PE so I am not at all familiar with it, and don't plan on using an extender to gain in length preferring other means which promise a potentially greater measure of effectiveness. So I would purchase on for this one time use. Thanks for your advice.

HC

Do you mind sharing with alternative means you plan to use for obtaining length? Extenders in concept show promise but are mostly problematic since some extenders require you to dress stealthily while others require total (in-home) privacy.

I'm personally contemplating/researching the use of a device on my 2nd session. I'll keep you all up to date when & if I decide on a device.

[hunkchunk]

@so

I'm still toying with options but find that spending thousands of man hours with an extender on isn't for me. Also pumping apparently does mostly provide girth increases which can come far more easily with Dr C. For the following I thank smartman who did much of the detective work. Here is an opinion from a member of PE gym who provided pictures of unusually effective lengthening, yet it isn't sure yet how safe it is, so I'm venturing first into extension using DHT and chemical methods to verify any effects.

"What I was missing with pumping is a way to hard stretch the "core" of my penis, between the pubic bone and the back of the glans. Pumping is great for girth but limited on its potential to provide hard sustained pull in this "core" area. Then I came upon the tube Idea and almost immediately gained about a half inch in length then hit a wall. At this point I turned to hanging, put on another half inch and am up angainst another wall. "

From summary photo analysis of PE Gym member Ramln's substantial manual PE gains, it appeared to me that what he had succeeded in doing is stretch his organ not uniformly, but from its base outwards. This would mean that it would either stretch his ligaments over a long time, or make small micro-tears which wouldn't be given the time to heal under retraction. To gain this effect he probably have tugged sufficiently hard with enough weight and in the right directions, to pull the stem outwards as one would pluck a flower from the ground, later maintaining it in that "pulled" position with extenders until it "set" and healed in place.

The main thing making this difficult to achieve, beyond the ligaments themselves providing their normal expected resistance, is the portion of the shaft to which the ligaments are attached itself being rigid and refusing much, if any, extension. This is what the above quote refers to as "the core". And since I am not exactly convinced that much can be done by acting upon the ligaments without years of fastidious efforts, I would rather try to act more directly upon that core, as I may. Maybe this is foolhardy and to no avail, but it seems to be a more potentially productive tactic than the other one, which takes years of methodical efforts and patience.

For this there is hanging, which also exercises an effect on this inner lengthwise section and there is using a tube, once one has managed the potential risks associated with such a technique. I may also try using a chemical assistance (experimental and of my own design this time) to soften the more resistant core tissues and assist them in their stretch. Whatever the substance thus tested it would probably be assisted by the application of liquid pharmacy grade DMSO which increases substance penetration significantly.

Since you are traveling a great distance for this treatment, we will probably be a bit more conservative at your first treatment. Using a 10% concentration, as well as not overfilling the area. Your gains will not be that of a penis treated with 20% however gains, and less retraction will still be apparent. Since the tissue of the area will be greatly firmed up following the first treatment, should you choose to do a second treatment, the irregularities will be much easier to manage, and we can also use a higher concentration of PMMA.

And then there's always the "ballooning" technique proposed by ThunderPlace's Momento, which I haven't tried yet but which might, by heat application, help soften the core?

Morning session:
1-2 times daily mon-fri with 4 hours min break between sessions
5-10 min warm wrap (washcloth)
20 min long hold inverted v-stretch
5-10 min warm wrap (washcloth)

Evening session:
10 min warm wrap (washcloth)
15-20 min 80-90% jelq with 1-2 30 sec hold Horse 440 squeezes every 5 mins
2-5 min 30 sec hold horse squeezes mixed with sadsak head exercise mod
10 min warm wrap (washcloth)
Doubling up this session once in a while is a useful shock

www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=55664

So you will note that I'm not at all savvy when it comes to how to lengthen given my very recent membership here which preceded my short and episodic ventures into manual PE territory. The above is just my early guess at how I might proceed, at present I am only using DHT cream without any local availability of DMSO to make it far more effective. I hope this helps tentatively answer your question. Of course, I will keep others posted of any further thinking I may have on this matter as well as any noteworthy results attached to techniques, just as I hope others here might recommend an extender to use during the PMMA initial recovery period.

HC

[Skeptical One]

After years of being on Thundersplace (as well as PEGym from time to time), I have learned that our penises vary in their responsiveness to exercise techniques.

In other words, your best bet is to start with a Beginner's Routine and modify it according to your Physiological Indicators (PI's discussed at length at Thundersplace). The above mentioned techniques MAY or MAY not be as effective for you, and you may find yourself making modifications to your existing regimen and/or trying alternative methods. Just because one guy gains an inch using a technique DOES NOT mean another will gain as effectively. I will say, however, that "jelqs" and all of its variations tend to be the most effective (common denominator) in manual gains.

[hunkchunk]

Hi SO,

So that means that one should do those PRIOR to PMMA injections given that they are not recommended afterwards?

HC

[Skeptical One]

hunkchunk

I'm not sure that they are or aren't recommended afterwards. I'm actually making it an objective this week to contact the Dr's office and learn more about the pros & cons of manual PE exercising once someone has gotten PMMA (and after the collagen formation is complete). I know for example that stretching and stretching devices are okay.

I still am not sure why jelqs would be a problem after your 6 week marker, even with Smartman's reasoning.

[Evil Pnievel]

Round 3, + 6 weeks:

Orig. EG - 4.5

Circ EG - 5.7
Mid EG - 5.9
Base EG - 6.2

Measurements from morning erection.

I have been using Magnum XL condoms. When very excited, the base is very tight.

The slight redness at upper left edge, below glans, remains. Has not gotten worse or better. I will leave it be.

Small seed-like internal hardness, bottom-side, below glans, no longer present.

Top-side, below circa line, very tiny red ball in skin. Hardeness present. Spent $500 on on STD tests, negative. Also, I always use condoms. If continues, I wil have it cut out.

[sheldon]

Jun 12, 2011 11:09:56 GMT -5 Evil Pnievel said:

Round 3, + 6 weeks:

Orig. EG - 4.5

Circ EG - 5.7
Mid EG - 5.9
Base EG - 6.2

Measurements from morning erection.

I have been using Magnum XL condoms. When very excited, the base is very tight.

The slight redness at upper left edge, below glans, remains. Has not gotten worse or better. I will leave it be.

Small seed-like internal hardness, bottom-side, below glans, no longer present.

Top-side, below circa line, very tiny red ball in skin. Hardeness present. Spent $500 on on STD tests, negative. Also, I always use condoms. If continues, I wil have it cut out.

EP,

Thanks for the update - quite impressive. I'm most happy about those small seed-like nodules no longer being present/felt; ditto about the STD tests.
Any medical members venture to Dx that tiny red ball? Hopefully nothing serious.

[Skeptical One]

Jun 12, 2011 11:09:56 GMT -5 Evil Pnievel said:

Round 3, + 6 weeks:

Orig. EG - 4.5

Circ EG - 5.7
Mid EG - 5.9
Base EG - 6.2

Measurements from morning erection.

I have been using Magnum XL condoms. When very excited, the base is very tight.

The slight redness at upper left edge, below glans, remains. Has not gotten worse or better. I will leave it be.

Small seed-like internal hardness, bottom-side, below glans, no longer present.

Top-side, below circa line, very tiny red ball in skin. Hardeness present. Spent $500 on on STD tests, negative. Also, I always use condoms. If continues, I wil have it cut out.

Thanks for the update E.P.!

I'll also take care of that transfer tonight.

Do you know what the grand total amount of cc's were injected over the 3 sessions?

Thanks.

[gerryc]

Hello all, can anyone remember who it was, that got either the fat pad liposuction or the ligs cut, along with the PMMA procedure. The surgeons name who does the procedure is Dr Camacho i believe he is recommended by Dr Casavantes

[hunkchunk]

I have contacted Dr Camacho-Melo to get the details of his lengthening procedure. Nurse Wade said that it could be done at the same time as the PMMA injections. He explained the procedure as follows:

"Once you have been prepped in Dr. Camachos surgical suite, Dr. C and myself will come down and perform the girth portion of your procedure. Dr. Camacho finishes up with the ligament cut. "[/b]

Now of course I'm no expert in PMMA injections having never been near a patient, but I had figured getting the ligaments cut so that Dr C could then increase the girth on the final length. From what he said this would be the opposite, they'd do the girth and later Dr Camacho would cut the ligs?!?

HC

[mustang2020]

That is what Wade had also told me. Dr. Camancho goes thru the bottom for the lig cut so it makes sense to have the pmma first, give it a while to settle down then they do the lig cut. My questions is this: if you get an infection from the lig cut, the results may be disastrous because now you have a lig that is trying to heal and pmma that is trying to firm up.

I still believe it is best to do them far apart...

[hunkchunk]

mustang2020

I've written to Dr Daniel Camacho-Melo about whether he proceeds from the pelvis or the scrotum, and await his reply. On his website it says it is done through the pelvis. For convenience purposes I shall call him Dr CM to differentiate him from Dr C aka Casavantes.

Dr Daniel Camacho-Melo: PE Surgery

Regarding any risks, I am quite convinced that as a known practicing surgeon Dr CM has as good sanitary conditions as anyone, and every post-operative precaution would be taken by my own measures to prevent infection. Furthermore, the PMMA will be some distance from the stem at the base of the shaft, meaning that the location of the surgical intervention ought to be an inch or two removed from any injection areas. Swelling of the shaft means there might be some fluids irrigating the surface bodies, and while this might transmit bacteria I don't see how it would affect an inert plastic substance, it isn't as though at this stage collagen was forming yet.

@others

I am curious about whether Dr C still injects 20% concentration solution, if he has fully switched to the New Plastic shown below which apparently only exists in 10% or 30% concentrations. Possibly he mixes his own 20% solution or used another source for that?

BioMedical New Plastic

Thanks recent recipients, for sharing your own concentrations as well as where they were applied.

HC

[supa]

Fellas, not sure whether this question makes sense. With the PMMA procedure is there a risk of formation of a keloidal scar?

I am asking this because my sister developed it on the arms after a surgery aimed at removing tricep fat. It looks awful. As you might know there is strong genetic tendency to develop keloids. I understand PMMA injections are NOT surgery, but still I'd want your opinion on this (if you have one).