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Post by sparticus on Mar 8, 2011 23:59:30 GMT -5
Hoddle,
I understand where you are coming from and I agree. From what I have read PMMA does seem like the safest method of PE given the current information. However, my point of view may be different. I'm not going to get an operation unless it is proven to be safe. I know many have come here to find the operation with the least risks and move from there, but for me I am ok with waiting or simply not having a procedure if I think the risks are too high, which currently I think they are too high for all procedures available.
Skaezy777,
I went back and looked at E.P.'s day 28 photo and I'm still not seeing a ring. I see the circumcision scar and where the glans appears slightly less girthy than the shaft, but not a PMMA induced ring. Maybe you have a more keen eye than I do, but his results to me would be what I would want personally in terms of aesthetics. In regards to the allergies to the bovine collagen, I have read about that too skatezy. In Casavante's case, they do not use Artefill, they use either Precise (I think), which may not include bovine collagen as the carrier, I think the carrier is hydrogel. Don't quote me on that, someone should look up Precise and see what in it and confirm if that is what Cassavante's uses.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 9, 2011 0:04:09 GMT -5
I believe Dr. C uses "New Plastic" which does not use a bovine carrier. I think he has one other PMMA brand optional as well.
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Post by skatezy777 on Mar 9, 2011 0:11:39 GMT -5
Hi Sparticus,
I will double check that tomorrow, I am very tired right now, but I thought I saw a ring. I will keep you posted.
To Everyone:
I just want to say this is a really great forum. I feel like all sides of the issues are debated. At MNS I was fearful that whatever I would say might result in censorship (as it did on at least one occasion when I made a comment about Dr. Knight). At leasts posts aren't being deleted here without prior notice and to me there is a general atmosphere of mostly respectful scrutiny.
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Post by skatezy777 on Mar 9, 2011 0:17:38 GMT -5
Okay, this is really ridiculous and I have a lot of work tomorrow and I am really tired, but I just wanted to write one more thing before I forgot. Previously I thought about getting the suprapubic liposuction. Since that hopefully will expose let's say .5 inches more of your shaft, then that is an extra .5 inches that theoretically Dr. C. could inject PMMA into. In terms of increasing your total volume, I think that this could be a significant enhancement. Just a thought.
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Post by bigbizo8 on Mar 9, 2011 0:22:32 GMT -5
I have no ring whatsoever! He did mines from the head on down! Skatezy777 I haven't had a full erection yet but I say about a 90% but it's still like a little soft due to the PMMA not settling all the way yet, but I had sex twice and boy did it feel good. And I got that let's stop for a little while it's hurting reaction, that's a ego booster! I truly understand the concern about nobody really knowing the long term effect, but I hoping the Dr was honest to us, also I had probably this one chance to get it done. It took me 5 1/2 hours to fly down there and I stayed one night and flew back the next day that was almost 500 dollars by itself! I'm really hoping long term is fine. I also was watching a adult filmso today and I seen a brazillian guy with what look to be some type of filler(PROBABLY PMMA) because his girth was really really huge.
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 9, 2011 7:47:44 GMT -5
Hoddle, I understand where you are coming from and I agree. From what I have read PMMA does seem like the safest method of PE given the current information. However, my point of view may be different. I'm not going to get an operation unless it is proven to be safe. I know many have come here to find the operation with the least risks and move from there, but for me I am ok with waiting or simply not having a procedure if I think the risks are too high, which currently I think they are too high for all procedures available. That just isn't going to happen with PE. But then again alot is to do with perception. US Dr's opinions and the reports we've read on PMMA can be very scary and convince us it isn't safe. However, find the biggest critic of PMMA and ask him what he thinks the complication rate is. Then ask him what the complication rate is with Rhinoplasty. Do you consider Rhinoplasty safe? I assure complications from nose surgery, that lead to serious facial deformity will be far higher than with PMMA. Yet I assure you that 90% of the critics of PMMA will perform Rhinoplasty. Strange world isn't it! The truth is hardly any elective surgery for cosmetic purposes is "safe." When it's beneficial for the surgeons to carry it out, they will. When it isn't, as is the case for PMMA in America, they will come up with numerous convincing arguments why you shouldn't have it. A one time filler, that costs very little abroad is certainly bad news for US based guys, who earn big dollars having women come and see them 3 times per year for temporary fillers. If Botox was illegal in the US, what do you think the plastic surgeons would be saying about it? I think if you google botox side effect or complications, you read exactly what they'd say if they couldn't perform it. PMMA isn't illegal, but it cost 800cc and doesn't have the repeat customer advantage of other fillers. |
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Post by bigbizo8 on Mar 9, 2011 8:33:38 GMT -5
Hoddle10 I agree with that, but I think everything has it risk and rewards, some people bodies react different then other, I don't think it would ever be a 100% success rate with any surgery! Everything is done by trial and error! So far I'm happy and I hope if I can say this 20-30 years down the line if I'm still living
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 9, 2011 10:47:20 GMT -5
That just isn't going to happen with PE. But then again alot is to do with perception. US Dr's opinions and the reports we've read on PMMA can be very scary and convince us it isn't safe. However, find the biggest critic of PMMA and ask him what he thinks the complication rate is. Then ask him what the complication rate is with Rhinoplasty. Do you consider Rhinoplasty safe? I assure complications from nose surgery, that lead to serious facial deformity will be far higher than with PMMA. Yet I assure you that 90% of the critics of PMMA will perform Rhinoplasty. Strange world isn't it! The truth is hardly any elective surgery for cosmetic purposes is "safe." When it's beneficial for the surgeons to carry it out, they will. When it isn't, as is the case for PMMA in America, they will come up with numerous convincing arguments why you shouldn't have it. A one time filler, that costs very little abroad is certainly bad news for US based guys, who earn big dollars having women come and see them 3 times per year for temporary fillers. If Botox was illegal in the US, what do you think the plastic surgeons would be saying about it? I think if you google botox side effect or complications, you read exactly what they'd say if they couldn't perform it. PMMA isn't illegal, but it cost 800cc and doesn't have the repeat customer advantage of other fillers. -David C. Pearson, MD - Jacksonville Facial Plastic Surgeon Thanks for finding that, it illustrates my point perfectly. |
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Post by bigwheels3535 on Mar 9, 2011 12:53:07 GMT -5
doc do you have any before op erect photos?
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Post by docsavage on Mar 9, 2011 13:42:21 GMT -5
To all-thanks for the comments!
Skatezy
I have not noticed any reduction in length so far. I was 6" before and I am still about 6". You are correct in stating that I have gone from girth 4.3" to approx 5.0" for a gain of 0.7". It varies a little with how aroused I am. I am very satisfied with the results so far. No problems to report.
Bigwheels
I apologize but I do not have any preop erect pics; it is noticeably thicker, though.
A few general comments:
The "ring" was present before the procedure. I suppose it is leftover skin from my circumcision > 44 years ago. It is quite a bit bigger now; the PMMA seems to have migrated there. It does not bother me in the least. In fact, I think it might be an enhancement for my wife! I haven't had sex yet, mostly due to logistical reasons (out of town, etc.).
The overall feel of my penis is exactly the same as before, only thicker. I know that sounds odd, but that is my perception right now.
When I go back in a couple of weeks, I will mention the ring to Dr. C (and show him pics) and see what his recommendations are.
I'm happy to answer more questions. Keep them coming...
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Post by skatezy777 on Mar 9, 2011 15:00:28 GMT -5
docsavageYou said that you are "still about 6". I know you said you haven't noticed any loss in erect length, but have you noticed even the SLIGHTEST decrease in length? I am sorry I am paranoid about this, but my NBPEL is only 4.4ish so I don't want to lose anything. I am seriously considering this procedure. Thanks for the updates.
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Post by docsavage on Mar 9, 2011 15:07:33 GMT -5
Skatezy,
As far as I can tell, there is no loss in erect length. However, my measurements before were extremely variable-sometimes a little more than 6", sometimes a little less. And girth was all over the place-4.3" was the average.
Also, I am noticing a lot of veins that I could not see before. I think that the PMMA has just pushed them closer to the surface rather than attributing it to new circulation developing.
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Post by smartman on Mar 9, 2011 17:19:46 GMT -5
hoddle10,
My erect girth now is almost 6.8-7 in., my flaccid girth now is 6 in. (my flaccid width5.2cm) , my stretched flaccid girth now is 5-5.2 in.
I dont remember my pre-pmma erect girth size, but as far as I remember when the brazilian Dr. measure my penis he measured the flaccid width(or the diam.) it was i think 3-3.2 cm and he said he usually increase the flaccid width till 4 cm ,I insist I want more he increase it till 4.3 cm ( because I know it will be less after 2 months dont forget the edema and the local injection ) after few months it went to 3.8-3.9 , I think I had more than 20 may be 24cc.
After this first session I was much bigger than when I had stupid Alloderm (a waste of 11k, G/A ,pain and major surgery) .
The 2nd session I wanted my erect girth to be 6.5-7 in., my gf wanted that too and she supported me (I told her this increase in the girth of my penis is from my own body collagen , these beads will stimulate my body to form muscle around my penis , it is not silicon or skin of dead people then she agreed she also asked me to ask him if they can do it for breast enlargement loool).
He did correction for some small depression but also he increase the whole area again it was 20-22 cc
What I can tell you is sure I had more than 40cc. in total.
skatezy 777,
in alloderm when I touch my penis it is smoother than PMMA which feels like your muscle fibers when it is relaxed also it is like multiple long thick threads with multiple beads attached to these fibers running along your penis axis.By the way I had Metacrill 30%.
In Alloderm :- skin of dead people, before you need to have two incisions like what I had, G/A , a risk of retraction in short or long-term you might need surgery to remove the remnant and do aggressive stretching for longer period , and a higher risk of infection.
To summaries this for you is :- my gf tried both and she said PMMA , she said alloderm was ok in the first 6 -8 months post surgery then it has reduced in volume , by the way I have more veins on my penis more than before (the girls love that).
Also you will be proud to be naked infront of your friends in the shower room, I have never done it before but now I have done it and I can tell you how some of the other guys tried to hide their tools loool .
Somebody asked about skin test 4 wks before pmma injection, it is for artecoll and artefill they contain bovine collagen but metacrill and new plast they contain cellulose so no need for skin test.
If you ask me why ,I think I read it somewhere collagen can carry pmma beads and distribute them better in sheets-like in the area where they are injected????they need stronger carrier I might be wrong.
In my case the PMMA is not attached to my skin .
I would like to have pmma in the area just behind the glans ( the sulcus) just to make my penis more tapered from the glans till the shaft.
Can somebody ask Dr.C. why is he not advising his patients not to use a penile stretcher (at least to stretch the penis mild to moderate ) thats what some doctors in brazil advice their patients and not the ring , during the use of the stretch you can massage the pmma in your penis , I think Dr.C. advice his patients to use the ring mostly is to avoid the movement of pmma to the pubic area and it might stretch your penis a bit but still the glans wil retract a bit and pushing the pmma a bit backward and could be the reason you got a ring like shape distally but its not bad I think in the next session he has to inject behind the ring going backward toward near to the pubic area I think it is better if you use mild stretching device post injection to prevent any turtling directly post injection esp. in the first hours which can cause the ring like behind the glans . I have use the penile stretcher for 10-14 days.
sparticus,
I agree with you that everyone should know the risks of this procedure and that is v. nice of you to supply us with these information , I am not going to repeat what the others had mentioned about the complications of rhinoplasty or alloderm , I think you can get complications not only from surgical PE but even from none-surgical PE.
Not to forget in my case I had artecoll injection in one side of my face in Frankfurt that was 15 years ago with no complication but it does not mean it will not happen to others.
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Post by wisher on Mar 9, 2011 17:45:08 GMT -5
smartman - can you post a pic so that we can see long term results. It appears as of now you are the one that has had it the longest. Also 6inch flaccid girth is crazy huge! Good for you! thx
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Post by mikehok on Mar 9, 2011 18:35:31 GMT -5
Someone asked about temporary fillers. Well I've been there and done that and I don't recommend it. I had something called Macrolane (hylaronic acid gel) injected into my penis about 2 years ago. 30cc from memory. It was soft, squishy, and lumpy. My flaccid looked dreadful. in the erect state things were no better. I had a lump of filler sitting on the top which only covered half the shaft. It was completely useless. I went back a month later and had it removed by simple injection of a dissolving enzyme.
With any kind of filler for this purpose it's important that it spreads out, is free of lumps, looks relatively natural and can cover the shaft both flaccid and erect.
With the macrolane it covered my flaccid but when I became erect it didn't spread out so only covered half the shaft. pmma doesn't seem to suffer from that problem. I'm not entirely sure why, I assume it must stretch like skin. Also I guess being your own tissue which is more fixed in place and firmer also accounts for it's superiority.
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