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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 19, 2011 6:37:48 GMT -5
Having had a penis circumference over the years that has ranged from about 5 inches to 7.5 inches, I think I am in a good position to add my 2 cents on this matter… I would like to preface though by saying that erection quality and overall confidence is more important than having a thick penis…Having a thick penis gave me the confidence which resulted in a stronger erection… That being said, With my original 5 inch (in girth) penis …If you read my accounts in “Messageman’s Journey”, I lacked self confidence, had poor erection quality, and had zero technique…I had no game at all and that was reflected in the underwhelming reaction I received with most of my partners…One of them even mentioned she “couldn’t feel me in her at all…Boy, did that crush me…. After the dermal surgery, I was a little over 7 inches in girth and the response was almost always positive…I probably slept with over 30 to 40 to women (from all ethnicities) and (the huge) girth was generally never a problem…On the contrary, more often than not, women loved it…I was in high demand…. As my length increased (from stretching and an ADS), length at times became an issue…with women pushing me back and requesting I don’t go so ‘deep’…I had loads of confidence and I believe this was also major factor …I could last longer and get hard on cue. A long, thick penis is also a visually stimulating thing for a woman… After a few years, my dermal graft shrunk down a bit to 6.25 inches (in girth)….This was a nice size to have and always was well received…Still, I always remembered what it was like to have that ‘ 7 inch’ monster girth…. So…. I stupidly got the Elist implant…The implant girth was ridiculous (over 7.5 inches) girth, but (and I swear on my life) women loved it…with proper lubrication (which was a must)… My penis retracted to a little over 6 inches in length (due to the implant)…but even with that, the 7.5 inch girth was visually stunning to these women and they and they all would talk about how “powerful” the feeling was…. After the damn implant basically exploded (2 years ago), I had it removed….The capsule of the implant remained and gave me an added half inch…leaving me with a 6.75 inch (base) girth….This is a great girth to have….Women usually don’t have an issue and it’s visually (and physically) stimulating In summary, for me, EQ and confidence is more important than girth…However, I do believe (from my experience) there are many women out there that can appreciate a penis with a girth from 6 inches to 7.5 inches… Special note: This is just my experience. I would recommend anybody getting PMMA to incrementally get it over time, and to definitely stay 6.5 inches or under until you know that you are happy with that size. Especially if you are a young guy having sex with younger women…It’s much easier to get more PMMA than have it removed… MM, as always, your insight is greatly appreciated. I agree 100%, Erection quality & Confidence, and I'll throw in "Chemistry" (how well you two click) are all more effective than sheer girth. I consider girth an enhancement to the sex, and also an aid in improving one's own confidence (which like you pointed out, can improve EQ, libido, etc).
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 19, 2011 12:47:37 GMT -5
@ messageman
You truly have been on a penoplasty journey and I really enjoyed reading your story.
I think your advice to go incremental is sound and like you allude to yourself you have had women who really enjoyed massive girth but 6 plus is also a very good size.
@ everyone
But still remember...
If a girl has had x amount of partners and their average girth was in the 4.75-5.25 range and you turn up with rock hard 5.5-6 inch unit they are going to remember you forever.
And
I have read about this stuff for years. For everyone Messageman there are fifty seriously unhappy guys who have endured pain and reconstructive surgery. Hopefully PMMA will change that. but until then baby steps are probably the best way forward.
Thanks for sharing mm and I am looking forward to your updated story!
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 19, 2011 22:53:12 GMT -5
Hey Mustang, Even when you were at 5.25 -- I assume NBPEL, correct? -- with that massive girth, did the women still seem to respond? Your girth is amazing, so I am just thinking that the length becomes less important with that amount of girth. Did you have positive experiences at 5.25 EL with that massive girth? I think I ended up with close to 5.75 NBPEL. Remember guys, the 7" girth is at the last inch or so near the pubic bone. The glans was about 5.5" For me, seems like girth was more important than length to a certain extent. This has been my experience. If some of the readers out there feel having such a gradual girth is not for them, then of course they are big boys and they can make their own decisions about their size. Like I said before, for me the tapered penis is very good in bed because you can control how much girth goes in. I am shooting for NBPEL of 6-7 and a gradual girth of 7 to 5.5.
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 20, 2011 21:56:48 GMT -5
This all makes sense but I am puzzled by the dimensions which are offered for sale on a pump website, shown here in girth diameters: Penis Outside (Circumference) 4 3/4" 5 1/2" 6 1/4" 7" 7 7/8" 8 5/8" 9 3/4" 10 1/4" 11 3/4" 13 3/8" 14 1/4" 15 3/4" 17 1/4" 18 3/4" 20 1/4" 21 3/4" 24" 25 1/4" Now those are some wild girth measurements seen at their original posting page here: What size circumference?Is this science fiction or are there enough guys seeking enhancement at these sizes, or is the vendor feeding our insecurities to make us want to buy a PE product? HC
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 21, 2011 0:12:49 GMT -5
I or is the vendor feeding our insecurities to make us want to buy a PE product? HC I think so!!!!
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 0:19:32 GMT -5
I agree with Mustang, sounds to me like a marketing ploy to capitalize on insecurities...and that only perpetuates our insecurities. This is why I've always been very distrustful of commercial PE.
The largest girth I've ever seen reported I think was 8 or 8.25" and I'm not even sure if that was real. Otherwise, the largest REAL girth I've seen reported was 7.5" and I can tell you that anything above 6.5" is ridiculously rare! This list far exceeds that, but doesn't go below 4.75" ?? I know 3.5"- 4.5" is far more common than anything above 7"! This list was put together by some real asshole, that much is for sure!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 21, 2011 2:27:50 GMT -5
Thanks guys for reassuring me.
I actually do wonder to what extent there isn't quite a broad industry disinformation plot to capitalize on our insecurities? I just received spam offering me methods on how to unlock the secrets of female psychology, called Pandora's Box. It could have been generated by one of the PE forums (not this one of course) or by getting my name and email address added to Dr Runels' list or upon my contact with another PE doctor. It struck me hard because as some here know my motivation for PE has recently surged due to a woman in my life, and this publication played on those very insecurities.
So from now on I will remember that French documentary which mentioned far more modest physical sizes, of which at 5.5" BPEL I was in perfectly normal standing with quite a few European averages falling below and only a small number above. Was that TV documentary itself reporting false data, or were they sincere? They visited condom manufacturers, verified various nations scientific and medical statistics centers and inspected sales data for condom sizes in each country, adding the fact that the sizes reported in each country weren't comparable given that the actual product inside wasn't identical depending on location (ie size large didn't contain the same size condom but any number of sizes as per country).
So unless the journalists were following a mandate to reassure the nation's male population about their insecurities in order to make them more productive, it seems that much of the reported data is clearly manipulated, and that given the commercial interests are far more in favor of us deepening our insecurities and consuming paliatives in the form of books, medication, accessories, devices, treatments, etc. that there is a fairly likely probability that much of the size data we are fed is of dubious reliability regardless of the sources invoked.
FWIW
HC
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Post by eqstudent on Jun 21, 2011 12:44:49 GMT -5
messagemanPersonally I take your account more as a cautionary tale than as a validation that monster girth leads to better sex for women. I wonder how you would have fared if you had chosen to work on your confidence, EQ, technique, and game instead of first dermal surgery then an implant? You mentioned that at 7” girth “the response was almost always positive”, “more often than not women loved it”. At 6.75” base girth after implant removal “women usually don’t have an issue”. Those comments imply that some women did have problems. What percentage of women would you say had negative experiences at those large girths?
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Post by eqstudent on Jun 21, 2011 12:54:29 GMT -5
hunkchunkThere is no doubt that there is a large amount of financial incentive in inflaming and exploiting our insecurities. As my GF said to me yesterday when I told her I was researching this topic; “good, now men will realize the insecurity, low self-esteem, and damage that the breast implant industry created in women over the last 30 years”. Of course later that evening she was in such rare form in bed that any thought PE was banished from my mind. ;D
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 21, 2011 18:23:13 GMT -5
eqstudentFunny after reading your post I was walking around during the Paris music festival with bands playing in the streets throughout the city. Loads of babes dancing and celebrating the first summer night. In watching them I thought, do the ones with B-cups feel like me about my 5.5"? Then I realized there is one notable difference: FIT. So when you're looking to bond, it is important that the pieces of the puzzle fit together... HC
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Post by messageman on Jun 21, 2011 21:28:32 GMT -5
Hi Egstudent I completely agree that confidence, EQ, technique, and game were my true issues when I embarked on my journey….I state this in my account “Messageman’s Journey”…I would have been better served to have improved upon these areas (at first) than to risk surgery that was still in its pioneering stages…. That being said, when I was sporting a 7 inch girth (base) that tapered down to 6 inches behind the glans, I slept with many women, and the only time I had any negative issues was with my length… When I had the implant, and had the ridiculous 7.5 inch girth, I only slept with 3 women…Not a large enough experiment group to definitively state that women can accommodate it…But I as I wrote in my last post (on this thread), those women did enjoy it. Again, these experiences were with women over 30 years old…not younger women. The last thing I want to do is to instill a size complex on guys with my these accounts though. I just want to be honest. If you read the accounts most other guys (on this site) who have had that 7 inch girth (usually with the implant), they generally say report the same thing as I do.
Messageman
Special note: In no way do I advocate getting the ‘Elist’ implant
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 22, 2011 7:52:53 GMT -5
has anyone gained 2 inches from pmma? im at 5.1 midshaft and i want to know if that is possible to gain 2 inches?
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 22, 2011 11:38:01 GMT -5
has anyone gained 2 inches from pmma? im at 5.1 midshaft and i want to know if that is possible to gain 2 inches? People can and have gained 2 inches, but it will likely take multiple (probably 3) sessions to achieve that size. Just keep in mind that it isn't an easy process to reverse, so be certain you truly wish to have that size (unlike women, who go overboard with super large breast implants and regret it down the road only to replace it with smaller implants). I believe once you exceed 6" girth you could effectively wear the Magnum XL, beyond 7" will require custom condoms or a dental dam + rubber band lol!
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Post by eqstudent on Jun 22, 2011 11:45:29 GMT -5
messagemanthanks for clarifying your statements that I quoted. I apologize for misreading those statements and concluding that you had implied that at a 7" + girth some women had issues. Just to be clear you are stating that a 7" girth provides a better overall sexual experience for a woman than a 6" or 5" girth?
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 22, 2011 12:08:26 GMT -5
SO i have seen the light from you guys here and i know some of you have gained an inch or so in your first treatment. im about 7.5 inches long currently and using an ADS and manual stretching. by the time i get it done in 3 months i should be .5 to at least an inch longer. being that long and going in for my first treatment, will it be realistic to get an inch in girth with the first treatment?
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