Post by zob on Feb 6, 2011 16:42:31 GMT -5
Hi Guys !!
It’s been a while since I wanted to exchange my thoughts with everyone of you but time is passing so quickly that It was quite hard for me to find the good moment.
First, I will congratulate Skeptical One for giving us the opportunity to find a genuine place to discuss a very intimate subject…
I thought that MNS was this place, but unfortunately It wasn’t…
Secondly, I will adress a big thanks to Stale Mango, Marknmau and also Mustang 2020 for providing me a true personal testimony and associated pics regarding their hard journey through a new mental and physical condition.
Yes guys, I asked you answers and you always responded with honesty.
I will make a little reacap of my situation regarding PE surgery by quoting an original post from myself I posted in MNS. I was already trying to warn the people about some facts that were not highlighted :
Here are my PE history :
- Free Fat Transfer in 2005.
- Fat re absorbed mainly.
- LEFT with one Hard nodule.
- 2nd surgery in order to extract the nodule.
- Intern tearing following the nodule extraction that created a blood ball under the skin.
- Third incision on the blood ball in order to make it empty but the "shell" of the blood ball is still under my skin
- 4500 € spent on the FFT procedure. (not detailing the added costs I have to face with the further complications).
I will stay outside the emotionnal costs that are much much higher than the
points detailed above.
This part of the post specifically concern MNS not Phalloboards. It’s a part from post I put on MNS maybe a year ago, so don’t take some of the following questions as requiring answers as it has been answered by guys such as Marknmau, Stale Mango or Mustang 2020... It will just give you some light on what was already occuring in MNS one or two year ago about the Elist procedure :
So, life is quite hard since that time, got back a normal looking penis (except a scar at the base) with my intial girth , forgot quite a long time about any further surgery procedure and, re-thought about it maybe a year ago, did some researchs, found this forum, lurked a lot and read all the threads relatives to these new procedures such as Scaffolds or Silicone Implant.
In the beginning, I didn’t want to participate because a lot of questions about the procedure were answered even If I was pretty sure that some testimonies in here were part of a marketing scheme, I said to myself, ok, it enables people to discover a procedure, several months follow-up...That’s good for everybody.
People exchange, disagree, debate on different procedures and fortunately it is still the case but come on, some important facts are still lacking regarding Elist Procedure :
- Detectability of the implant , edges or any outline.
- Behavior of sexuals encounters when dealing with the implant
- Erect photos that show a normal penis without any gap such as Moejondo experienced with its implant.
Maybe it is ok for him, but for me it’s not. And when I read, “you penis will look the same but will be much fatter”, I can only say that based on what we’ve seen, it is not the case.
We lack of photos, “erect photos”, testimonies of happy sexual life without any problem of detectability.
And KRM, don’t tell me I’am a fucking pervert , like you told to that guy Difleha, cause I’am not and the only thing I want to see is the erect outcome of this process before putting 10000 grand on this thing.
By the way, as I am talking with honesty, I don’t really like, new members supposed to have the procedure done, showing 2 flaccid pics, assuring everything is fine with the procedure and its detectability and then disappearing when your asking for some erect pics.
Obviously, I’am not talking about MJ Ralph, that is real, hope he is healing goes well, but Mr SD Bryan who disappeared suddenly...
It’s seems like threads are sometimes appearing with flaccid pictures, one or two more than suspect posts... And when I read that, I just see the subliminal marketing message that just spread in our head and could be recap like this :
“look at the flaccid photos.... see...It’s safe... you can go with the procedure”, I hate that !!
Plus, I will add 2 things, that every members will be able to check on Elist website :
1. Already said that but repeat it. “FDA category soon” but still not available after more than 6 months. (now , time has passed a lot and this category is still empty)
2. Check the FAQ and see the questions :”How many implant have to be replaced after...” You will never find any answer to this Q and will see an error occur.
It’s also been several months that I am waiting an answer to that question but the error remains the same.
I’am still considering this surgery but as I already told it, FACTS are lacking.
End of original post posted on MNS.By the way, regarding Uncle JJ situation, I think you are all losing your time by asking him infos regarding his own situation.
Sorry Uncle JJ, but I have to tell you and the rest of the guys what I think. I think you are fake... In 2,5 years following posts on MNS, you never wrote any posts bigger than 3 lines. For me, I quickly saw you as the community manager of MNS, judging by the emptiness of your interventions. Furthermore, I am quite surprise to find you here and ask to myself what is you main objective...
The more logical for me is to be a spy for the count of MNS... Don’t see anything else... and a pure advocate of Elist...
Regarding Elist procedure, I still think this one is an interesting procedure but I am quite scared by the horror stories and the lack of positive and negative stats...
My opinion regarding other procedures :
FFT :
Bad. Will generally left you with a lumpy dick and a very spongy feel. Don’t like the idea of having a permanent semi-erect dick but a too spongy dick also provide a very bad feeling. Plus fat generally concentrate on the base of the penis. Last but not Least. It is not permanent . Plus, you can have complications such mine.
Demal Fat Grafts :
Looks Natural but much more invasive than FFT. Grafts can shrink, leave your penis lumpy and your butt with big scars. All that for a non permanent result.
Alloderm :
Less invasive than Dermal Fat grafts but non permanent and can let you with lumps.
Plus, these 3 procedures will make you bigger in Flaccid state but a little to nothing in the erect state. See Yardstick situation...
Regarding myself with FFT, it was big flaccid but quite unchanged in the erect state...
Regarding Scaffolds, I didn’t see anybody happy with. They all had big complications. All people that were fearing silicone implant and went with scaffolds thinking that it was safer because of the dissolvable structure got quite a lot of trouble...
Regarding PMMA, I wouldn’t do it cause liquid silicone is too much dangerous, plus the look of the dick in Flaccid is very ugly in my point of view...
Regarding Elist Implant, that was for me the more viable option, if everything goes well which isn’t always the case...
I will finish by translating you an Email I sent to my surgeon in France regarding Elist procedure... This is the guy who performed on me FFT. Even if I had complication I still keep in touch with him cause I know that he performed well but I was just unlucky with the complication of the FFT.
Hi Sir,
This is, I think an Italian surgeon who primarily talked about sided silicone sleeves. At this time, everyone was looking to find how external implants to corpus cavernous could follow the change from flaccid to erect state.
As anybody was finding a valid answer, and regarding the risks involved (even if, generally evrything goes well) surgery community, especially PE specialists did not attempt this method. Dermal Fat grafts have been used in the servive where I was working at that time, by an italian surgeon, but the results were very bad. I think that we almost have tried every kind of method and that it it is FFT that give the less bad results with the lesser risks, even with uncertainties regarding the behavior of fat and the need for a cautious follow-up.
Sincerely,
Dr XXXX
And believe me, that guy is a pioneer and internationally recognized and respected by his pairs. He also perform transexuals surgeries...
After that, I sent him some infos regarding Elist procedure, and he never been horrified or told me.... No don’t do it...
He even told me...If this method is verified, find me the material this doctor uses, and I will implant to you...
As I saw negative accounts and didn’t excatly knew which material Elist was using, I didn’t tempted with him... But what I also want to demonstrate is, the fact that, there are some surgeons that are not ready to go to next step or try to make evolve procedures whereas some others are ready for. You will see that in every aspect of medicine...
It’s been a while since I wanted to exchange my thoughts with everyone of you but time is passing so quickly that It was quite hard for me to find the good moment.
First, I will congratulate Skeptical One for giving us the opportunity to find a genuine place to discuss a very intimate subject…
I thought that MNS was this place, but unfortunately It wasn’t…
Secondly, I will adress a big thanks to Stale Mango, Marknmau and also Mustang 2020 for providing me a true personal testimony and associated pics regarding their hard journey through a new mental and physical condition.
Yes guys, I asked you answers and you always responded with honesty.
I will make a little reacap of my situation regarding PE surgery by quoting an original post from myself I posted in MNS. I was already trying to warn the people about some facts that were not highlighted :
Here are my PE history :
- Free Fat Transfer in 2005.
- Fat re absorbed mainly.
- LEFT with one Hard nodule.
- 2nd surgery in order to extract the nodule.
- Intern tearing following the nodule extraction that created a blood ball under the skin.
- Third incision on the blood ball in order to make it empty but the "shell" of the blood ball is still under my skin
- 4500 € spent on the FFT procedure. (not detailing the added costs I have to face with the further complications).
I will stay outside the emotionnal costs that are much much higher than the
points detailed above.
This part of the post specifically concern MNS not Phalloboards. It’s a part from post I put on MNS maybe a year ago, so don’t take some of the following questions as requiring answers as it has been answered by guys such as Marknmau, Stale Mango or Mustang 2020... It will just give you some light on what was already occuring in MNS one or two year ago about the Elist procedure :
So, life is quite hard since that time, got back a normal looking penis (except a scar at the base) with my intial girth , forgot quite a long time about any further surgery procedure and, re-thought about it maybe a year ago, did some researchs, found this forum, lurked a lot and read all the threads relatives to these new procedures such as Scaffolds or Silicone Implant.
In the beginning, I didn’t want to participate because a lot of questions about the procedure were answered even If I was pretty sure that some testimonies in here were part of a marketing scheme, I said to myself, ok, it enables people to discover a procedure, several months follow-up...That’s good for everybody.
People exchange, disagree, debate on different procedures and fortunately it is still the case but come on, some important facts are still lacking regarding Elist Procedure :
- Detectability of the implant , edges or any outline.
- Behavior of sexuals encounters when dealing with the implant
- Erect photos that show a normal penis without any gap such as Moejondo experienced with its implant.
Maybe it is ok for him, but for me it’s not. And when I read, “you penis will look the same but will be much fatter”, I can only say that based on what we’ve seen, it is not the case.
We lack of photos, “erect photos”, testimonies of happy sexual life without any problem of detectability.
And KRM, don’t tell me I’am a fucking pervert , like you told to that guy Difleha, cause I’am not and the only thing I want to see is the erect outcome of this process before putting 10000 grand on this thing.
By the way, as I am talking with honesty, I don’t really like, new members supposed to have the procedure done, showing 2 flaccid pics, assuring everything is fine with the procedure and its detectability and then disappearing when your asking for some erect pics.
Obviously, I’am not talking about MJ Ralph, that is real, hope he is healing goes well, but Mr SD Bryan who disappeared suddenly...
It’s seems like threads are sometimes appearing with flaccid pictures, one or two more than suspect posts... And when I read that, I just see the subliminal marketing message that just spread in our head and could be recap like this :
“look at the flaccid photos.... see...It’s safe... you can go with the procedure”, I hate that !!
Plus, I will add 2 things, that every members will be able to check on Elist website :
1. Already said that but repeat it. “FDA category soon” but still not available after more than 6 months. (now , time has passed a lot and this category is still empty)
2. Check the FAQ and see the questions :”How many implant have to be replaced after...” You will never find any answer to this Q and will see an error occur.
It’s also been several months that I am waiting an answer to that question but the error remains the same.
I’am still considering this surgery but as I already told it, FACTS are lacking.
End of original post posted on MNS.By the way, regarding Uncle JJ situation, I think you are all losing your time by asking him infos regarding his own situation.
Sorry Uncle JJ, but I have to tell you and the rest of the guys what I think. I think you are fake... In 2,5 years following posts on MNS, you never wrote any posts bigger than 3 lines. For me, I quickly saw you as the community manager of MNS, judging by the emptiness of your interventions. Furthermore, I am quite surprise to find you here and ask to myself what is you main objective...
The more logical for me is to be a spy for the count of MNS... Don’t see anything else... and a pure advocate of Elist...
Regarding Elist procedure, I still think this one is an interesting procedure but I am quite scared by the horror stories and the lack of positive and negative stats...
My opinion regarding other procedures :
FFT :
Bad. Will generally left you with a lumpy dick and a very spongy feel. Don’t like the idea of having a permanent semi-erect dick but a too spongy dick also provide a very bad feeling. Plus fat generally concentrate on the base of the penis. Last but not Least. It is not permanent . Plus, you can have complications such mine.
Demal Fat Grafts :
Looks Natural but much more invasive than FFT. Grafts can shrink, leave your penis lumpy and your butt with big scars. All that for a non permanent result.
Alloderm :
Less invasive than Dermal Fat grafts but non permanent and can let you with lumps.
Plus, these 3 procedures will make you bigger in Flaccid state but a little to nothing in the erect state. See Yardstick situation...
Regarding myself with FFT, it was big flaccid but quite unchanged in the erect state...
Regarding Scaffolds, I didn’t see anybody happy with. They all had big complications. All people that were fearing silicone implant and went with scaffolds thinking that it was safer because of the dissolvable structure got quite a lot of trouble...
Regarding PMMA, I wouldn’t do it cause liquid silicone is too much dangerous, plus the look of the dick in Flaccid is very ugly in my point of view...
Regarding Elist Implant, that was for me the more viable option, if everything goes well which isn’t always the case...
I will finish by translating you an Email I sent to my surgeon in France regarding Elist procedure... This is the guy who performed on me FFT. Even if I had complication I still keep in touch with him cause I know that he performed well but I was just unlucky with the complication of the FFT.
Hi Sir,
This is, I think an Italian surgeon who primarily talked about sided silicone sleeves. At this time, everyone was looking to find how external implants to corpus cavernous could follow the change from flaccid to erect state.
As anybody was finding a valid answer, and regarding the risks involved (even if, generally evrything goes well) surgery community, especially PE specialists did not attempt this method. Dermal Fat grafts have been used in the servive where I was working at that time, by an italian surgeon, but the results were very bad. I think that we almost have tried every kind of method and that it it is FFT that give the less bad results with the lesser risks, even with uncertainties regarding the behavior of fat and the need for a cautious follow-up.
Sincerely,
Dr XXXX
And believe me, that guy is a pioneer and internationally recognized and respected by his pairs. He also perform transexuals surgeries...
After that, I sent him some infos regarding Elist procedure, and he never been horrified or told me.... No don’t do it...
He even told me...If this method is verified, find me the material this doctor uses, and I will implant to you...
As I saw negative accounts and didn’t excatly knew which material Elist was using, I didn’t tempted with him... But what I also want to demonstrate is, the fact that, there are some surgeons that are not ready to go to next step or try to make evolve procedures whereas some others are ready for. You will see that in every aspect of medicine...