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Post by gerryc on Dec 21, 2010 8:47:13 GMT -5
Hello Frankbean
Have a few questions regarding Dr Viels FFT procedure.
Emailed their office the other day by there response was make a consultation.
So here goes
Does he treat the fat w/ a platelet enrichment prior to injecting it to the phallus? Based on the information I have, this "treatment" of the graft greatly improves retention rates.
I know Gunta uses this method and IDM has been happy so far with the retention.
What incision does he use is it the VY
Finally what was the cost for Ligs Cutt and FFT at the same time
Thahks in advance
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Post by hoddle10 on Dec 21, 2010 11:38:02 GMT -5
Hello Frankbean Have a few questions regarding Dr Viels FFT procedure. Emailed their office the other day by there response was make a consultation. So here goes Does he treat the fat w/ a platelet enrichment prior to injecting it to the phallus? Based on the information I have, this "treatment" of the graft greatly improves retention rates. I know Gunta uses this method and IDM has been happy so far with the retention. What incision does he use is it the VY Finally what was the cost for Ligs Cutt and FFT at the same time Thahks in advance I wouldn't consider the lengthening if I were you. It rarely makes any difference. You'll make some flaccid gains, but is that alone worth the scar in the pubic area? As for treating that fat, I'm not convinced it makes that much difference. I think the key is to accept you'll need to go back for regular top ups. If you are prepared to do that, then I'm not sure it matters if the fat is treated with platlets. I know the two Aussie Dr's who perform FFT say they didn't notice any difference when they did it, so don't bother anymore.
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Post by idm on Dec 21, 2010 14:10:16 GMT -5
Hi Gerry,
It might be advisable to stretch for a period of time to see what gains, if any might be obtained w/out lig. release. I'm not sure what your personal goals are, but in my case, my flaccid state was more bothersome than erect...I had the release and was fortunate to have seen an inch increase (in both states)! But I was quite small. This is very individual some people have moe, some less, some not at all. Its a very personal decision.
What I do know for sure having had 3 fat transfers- 2 to the penis w/treated grafts, and 1 to elsewhere to correct a scar (w/an untreated graft), is that the treated grafts have a much higher retention rate. I've also observed this difference in other patients, and relatives who have had autologuos fat transfers to different body parts. Treated grafts tend to vascularize quicker and due to this development, the tissue has a life line and remains.
One of the refinements in fft over the years was in treating the graft, and in modifying the amount of fat transferred at a given time. Overfilling lead to greater loss and uneveness. These are the reasons for the staging...a refined process produces better results. It is a mistake to believe that the "staging" is a continual replenishment of a dying graft. A portion of the graft will not survive -true, but a significant amount does permanently.
I'm going for a 3rd round in the spring only b/c I haven't reached my desired goal. I don't anticipate the need for further transfers after this next round.
I'm obviously an advocate of fft done correctly. Having stated this and all of the aforementioned and having seen poor results w/untreated grafts, I would NOT have the procedure w/out properly treating the graft b/c I don't believe the survival rate is acceptable.
Hope that helps.
Good Luck!
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Post by gerryc on Dec 21, 2010 14:12:32 GMT -5
Hello Hoddle10
Given me some food for thought.
Will probably forget about Lig cutting
Want the added Erect Girth more than the flacid lenght.
However not to sure if constant top ups are the way to go though. Thats why am so interested in retention.
Was hoping that with say 4-5 top ups over say 18 months i might hopefully retain 0.5. permanately.
What you think and how has your retention been.
Am currrently 5 Inch Erect Lenght & 5 Inch Erect Girth.
Cheers
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Post by gerryc on Dec 21, 2010 14:37:13 GMT -5
IDM
Thanks for your imput much appreciated. Hopefully Frankbean can shed some light on whether Dr Viel uses treated platlets to cement gains.
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Post by frankbean on Dec 23, 2010 13:50:32 GMT -5
Hello Gerry
yes viel treats your fat i think he referred to it has centrifuge.
cheers frank
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Post by idm on Dec 23, 2010 22:17:15 GMT -5
Im so pleased to hear that!
Now that fat transfers are being used more often and for so many different types of aesthetic procedures, hopefully the platelet enrichment (in the centrifuge) will universally become part of the standard procedure.
I believe that part of the process, along w/not stressing the graft for the first 2 mos is the key to suCcess of retention w/this approach.
Had my 2nd round a wk ago today -i realize there still swelling, but so far the result exceeded my expectation-im very pleased.
For so long I never believed I would be able to put the words, "pleased" and "penis"...more specifically, "my penis" in the same sentence! Good luck gents!
Idm
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Post by Skeptical One on Dec 24, 2010 13:38:05 GMT -5
happy to hear that IDM, can't wait till I utter those same words in the same sentence..
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Post by jasonbond on Dec 24, 2010 19:20:07 GMT -5
I am still thinking about getting it done. Looking for 1st week of Jan but need to hear more and see results which i only seem to see on Dr websites I think some people on here are Dr's posing as patients I could be wrong but until i see proof mind won't change.
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Post by viduka on Dec 24, 2010 21:42:27 GMT -5
Hello Gerry yes viel treats your fat i think he referred to it has centrifuge. cheers frank Thats good to hear. I'm from Europe and so far Viel is my primary choice. However, I haven't don much research in terms of different Dr's or Viel for that sake.
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Post by iain01 on Dec 29, 2010 19:15:53 GMT -5
I had fft with viel 5 yrs ago then 3 topups then full fft again and again 3 topups and 99% reabsorbed. I had fat graft with dr k that was ok but he wont do another, anyone know of anyone who had 2 dermals done? and by whom
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Post by envisionmore on Dec 29, 2010 23:54:50 GMT -5
iain01
How did you like Dr K? How much girth did you achieve? I just received an email from them with post op pictures of the "New scaffold Spacer" he uses for lengthening. This allows for immediate length gains without the retraction. They also sent new pictures of triple augmentation. Did you have your glans enlarged as well? If so how did that go and did you lose any sensation? I've heard he will perform a second girth enhancement if he feels you have enough room (?). I think his post ops look great! I'm currently considering either PMMA or DFG. I wonder if you could get the PMMA having the DFG? This may be something to think about if Dr K won't do another and if you have room for more girth. How's living with the DFG? They told me if I had the DFG with them I would have to wear a Magnum condom (!) Is this the case with you?
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Post by idm on Dec 30, 2010 0:56:21 GMT -5
Hi- I'm very, very curious as to WHY after so many "top ups", you experienced such absorption. Interesting for those contemplating fft to know that Viel, freezes your future grafts, something GIunta is against. I also wonder if some of the other dosctors doing fft use the platelet enrichment which seems to offset the reabsorption. I take it you consider your fft's complete failures, if so, do you consider the dermal procedure a failure. Would you say you've realized ANY permanent gains after all of these effort, if so to what extent? I think it would be very helpful to the readers if you can provide (to the best of your recollection) stats...including where you are now. What are your goals specifically? If its girth alone, and. Considering some of the significant improvements in the fft technique (@ least Giunta's) might you be willing to give that a go and perhaps augment w/a modest treatment of pmma? Sorry for so many questions but your post begs answers to these questions. Best to you. Idm I had fft with viel 5 yrs ago then 3 topups then full fft again and again 3 topups and 99% reabsorbed. I had fat graft with dr k that was ok but he wont do another, anyone know of anyone who had 2 dermals done? and by whom
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Post by viduka on Dec 30, 2010 9:21:08 GMT -5
Why is Guinta against freezing future grafts?
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Post by idm on Dec 31, 2010 2:45:48 GMT -5
You'd have to ask him for the exact answer; but I speculate that freezing may compromise the integrity of the graft; I also doubt (but am not certain), that most of the other doctors don't use the platelet enrichment which Giunta uses.
This treatment is not "BS"...I had an fft performed ( non penile), to an indented scar by another doctor, looked good for about 2 years but began to absorb thereafter...left w/maybe 25% of the graft w/in 2 years time.
In MY experience, the "treated" (penile) grafts survive..(Thank God)!
Idm
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