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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 13:46:29 GMT -5
uptownblkI think what messageman was trying to say was that if anyone has been researching PE (Presumably the phalloplasty aspect of it) over the past 2 years, one is extremely unlikely to favor the implant (given its cost & track record) over other options available on the market (i.e. FFT-PRP, PMMA). The implant could provide added girth, but you'll need to go with the starting size (and not the XL's) if you wish to maintain as realistic of a look as possible. If you choose this route, be sure to be aware of the risks involved (which include but are not limited to: implant detect-ability, infection, and rejection). With that being said, the implant has been successful for some. And it has not been for others. You'll come to see that the implant, Alloderm/Belladerm, scaffolds, and DFG methods have all had their fair share of complications. Only FFT & PMMA tend to possess the lowest frequency of complication and usually are more problematic when it comes to sheer aesthetics versus actual complication. The implant in particular has had its horror stories documented well both on this site, and especially on the old site before it was all deleted. Speaking of the old site, MyNewSize has the nerve to suggest hackers came in and deleted all the info. How laughable. MyNewSize is working directly with Dr. Elist (since if you go to MyNewSize dot com, you will see that it is in fact marketing Dr. Elist's implant) and all actions carried out on that forum have been shady at best! If Dr. Elist really wants to resurrect his reputation, he needs to abandon the practice of censorship on online forums, the hiring of shills, and the denial of legitimate problems related to his girth enhancement method. Oh and on a side note, don't anticipate any of these methods to give you significant length gains without actually committing to a post-op stretching regimen for at least a few months. Good luck.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 2:27:23 GMT -5
uptownblkThe pictures posted in the above links are still within the downtime period. The best bet would be to seek out photos of those who are at least 6 weeks out from their last injection if you are curious to see more accurate PMMA results. To add, ssf35 has a noticeable gap between his glans and his shaft, similar to what I am experiencing. This is why 2nd sessions are almost inevitable to touch up (i.e. fill in the gaps) the penis in order to achieve the most aesthetically pleasing end result. Those who have gone in for a 2nd or 3rd tend to be happier with their overall aesthetics - but at the end of the day aesthetics are totally subjective and it is totally conceivable someone may not be happy with their end result's appearance. As for the implant, it isn't necessarily ANY better than PMMA or any other method when it comes to pure aesthetics, if that is what your concern is. I've seen multiple photos and a majority of them, I thought the implant was detectable, especially in the flaccid form. Unlike PMMA, there is nothing you can do to touch up the implant if it ended up looking unusual (other than taking it out). I'm not bashing the implant for this, I'm making an obvious observation. I will say Alloderm/Belladerm tend to pleasant aesthetic results when not faced with complication. FFT can also be a good option but there is risks or re-absorption that require multiple tops offs (and without the top offs, you'd have aesthetic concerns). May I ask what it was about the Dr. Elist option that you felt had the "best deal" in terms of how the implant is placed or how it ensures a better aesthetic result than say... PMMA or FFT that can be corrected in a 2nd or 3rd session (if need be) ? Just wondering, thanks.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 0:19:32 GMT -5
I agree with Mustang, sounds to me like a marketing ploy to capitalize on insecurities...and that only perpetuates our insecurities. This is why I've always been very distrustful of commercial PE.
The largest girth I've ever seen reported I think was 8 or 8.25" and I'm not even sure if that was real. Otherwise, the largest REAL girth I've seen reported was 7.5" and I can tell you that anything above 6.5" is ridiculously rare! This list far exceeds that, but doesn't go below 4.75" ?? I know 3.5"- 4.5" is far more common than anything above 7"! This list was put together by some real asshole, that much is for sure!
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 0:17:11 GMT -5
uptownblk2 years of research means you must be familiar with MyNewSize, the forum that (once) contained the bulk of info regarding phalloplasty PE before this forum came about? I only ask because in the past 2 years, the Elist implant has trended downwards due to reports of complications. And MyNewSize (in its current form) is no longer a legitimate source for info. This forum will be useful in determining the best option for you. Some have had success with the Elist implant, others have not. Just be sure you know all there is to know about all the options before proceeding. Good luck!
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 20, 2011 13:03:44 GMT -5
And that new message board is near 100%!
I have to make a domain transfer (in the process of that today).
Then I need to upgrade bandwidth for the forum.
And then finishing touches on a few of the emptier parts of the forum.
A few members have already gotten a chance to explore beta, it's cool! It's not significantly different from this forum, but it does have 1 or 2 new "neat" features.
The bandwidth demands will require a donation system which will follow the creation of the board in the following weeks.
Sorry for the inconviences related to the absence of photos. As mentioned, some of our members have Blogs up with the photos attached. Other members will gladly email you their photos if they have the time.
For those who have not received my Alexbstn photos yet, pardon me! I will get them out ASAP! My inbox (both PM and email) can be hard to keep up with.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 20, 2011 12:51:29 GMT -5
Actually I was thinking about that myself. What "nutrition" would help nourish and optimize collagen formation, if any. It's actually on a list of questions I plan to go over on with Wade.
Other questions include: How familiar is Dr. C with the variety of manual PE techniques and is there any reason certain methods (given their intensity) should be avoided? Sparticus sent me a PM (which I'll respond to in more depth when I get more quality time, sorry Sparticus!!) which brought up some interesting points about potential risks involved with intense manual PE, most specifically pumping.
I'll also ask about DHT, Pregnyl, and other hormonal candidates that may or may not be a good idea.
I'm sure there are other questions but I don't have them all in front of me at the moment.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 20, 2011 1:23:35 GMT -5
I refused to watch the actual procedure. Instead I went off ranting to the Dr. C & Wade about a variety of topics while holding squeeze balls they provided to help further distract me from what appeared to be the use of Inquisition Torture Devices (lol not literally) on my penis! Amazingly, it was not as half as bad as it all seemed, and I'm certain my 2nd procedure will be even more tolerable.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 19, 2011 6:37:48 GMT -5
Having had a penis circumference over the years that has ranged from about 5 inches to 7.5 inches, I think I am in a good position to add my 2 cents on this matter… I would like to preface though by saying that erection quality and overall confidence is more important than having a thick penis…Having a thick penis gave me the confidence which resulted in a stronger erection… That being said, With my original 5 inch (in girth) penis …If you read my accounts in “Messageman’s Journey”, I lacked self confidence, had poor erection quality, and had zero technique…I had no game at all and that was reflected in the underwhelming reaction I received with most of my partners…One of them even mentioned she “couldn’t feel me in her at all…Boy, did that crush me…. After the dermal surgery, I was a little over 7 inches in girth and the response was almost always positive…I probably slept with over 30 to 40 to women (from all ethnicities) and (the huge) girth was generally never a problem…On the contrary, more often than not, women loved it…I was in high demand…. As my length increased (from stretching and an ADS), length at times became an issue…with women pushing me back and requesting I don’t go so ‘deep’…I had loads of confidence and I believe this was also major factor …I could last longer and get hard on cue. A long, thick penis is also a visually stimulating thing for a woman… After a few years, my dermal graft shrunk down a bit to 6.25 inches (in girth)….This was a nice size to have and always was well received…Still, I always remembered what it was like to have that ‘ 7 inch’ monster girth…. So…. I stupidly got the Elist implant…The implant girth was ridiculous (over 7.5 inches) girth, but (and I swear on my life) women loved it…with proper lubrication (which was a must)… My penis retracted to a little over 6 inches in length (due to the implant)…but even with that, the 7.5 inch girth was visually stunning to these women and they and they all would talk about how “powerful” the feeling was…. After the damn implant basically exploded (2 years ago), I had it removed….The capsule of the implant remained and gave me an added half inch…leaving me with a 6.75 inch (base) girth….This is a great girth to have….Women usually don’t have an issue and it’s visually (and physically) stimulating In summary, for me, EQ and confidence is more important than girth…However, I do believe (from my experience) there are many women out there that can appreciate a penis with a girth from 6 inches to 7.5 inches… Special note: This is just my experience. I would recommend anybody getting PMMA to incrementally get it over time, and to definitely stay 6.5 inches or under until you know that you are happy with that size. Especially if you are a young guy having sex with younger women…It’s much easier to get more PMMA than have it removed… MM, as always, your insight is greatly appreciated. I agree 100%, Erection quality & Confidence, and I'll throw in "Chemistry" (how well you two click) are all more effective than sheer girth. I consider girth an enhancement to the sex, and also an aid in improving one's own confidence (which like you pointed out, can improve EQ, libido, etc).
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 19, 2011 6:32:22 GMT -5
There is definitely a risk of having a "pig in a blanket" effect when obtaining significant girth and no glans enhancement. In my flaccid form (after the swelling subsided and the glans returned to normal size), my appearance has a slight "pig in the blanket" look.
If you are not sure what those are (pig in the blanket), Google it. I used to call the effect the "corndog" effect, but I believe the "PITB" is more accurate.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 18, 2011 18:27:18 GMT -5
dd72I think someone (or two) has had it done on Thundersplace if I'm not mistaken, but I don't recall who. If you have an account there try using the Search function...from what I can recall those who reported having it done seemed satisfied.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 18, 2011 18:26:08 GMT -5
7-8" EG??? Whoa! Definitely would like to see some pictures, new forum should be up in 1 week woohoo!
Happy Healing!
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 18, 2011 8:02:02 GMT -5
justabitmoreYea I saw this on Thundersplace, and have been meaning to post this. Your post in the other thread was what actually reminded me Outside links are acceptable as long as they aren't commercial in nature. Links to Explicit Adult Content is strictly prohibited. Occasionally I'll allow links for PE equipment, supplements, etc to be posted on the forum as long as they are in context with the topic at hand. Anytime in doubt, check out the forum rules in my signature (or at the Feedback Forum)...if it doesn't violate any of those rules than it should be good to go.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 18, 2011 7:23:57 GMT -5
Well, I shouldn't say they are out-right illegitimate, however, they can't be verified as 100% accurate either (as far as the "averages" are concerned).
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 18, 2011 7:20:04 GMT -5
The "averages" listed on that website are not to be taken as factual or legitimate. The only useful thing that website provides as far as I can tell is to better visualize what a gain would look like.
There should be away to compare a 2-Dimensional "Visualization" of your current penis and a potential post-op penis. I would personally recommend not adding more than 2 - 2.5" inches to the girth (maximum) and 1 - 1.5" to the length (maximum) to your potential post-op model if you wish to stay within the realm of realism.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 18, 2011 7:15:43 GMT -5
You guys are right and I guess that we're not only starting out with a complex but maybe not helping it get better here. I arrived thinking I was pretty much average only to discover that my stats are subpar. You can say that this way at least I know what I've been up against. I thought it was only others in my family that were oversize but now realize it is myself who is undersize. So now it appears that my enlargement dreams weren't to become a "Hunk Chunk" as my original name implies, but just maybe someday I can become an average Joe with maybe half of the men she's known quite a bit better than my wildest reach? This can get quite aggravating, if my last night's dream is any sign. I was on a jumbo jet and the last two rows were filled with a bunch of gay guys dressed in business suits. One quite short fellow was standing on a seat in front of them naked. I wondered why but once in a while one of them would gaze towards him and make funny faces. After a while the short man turned left, revealing his 15" baby headed monster with 10" girth. I stood there appalled that such a "thing" could exist. So I do think that the PhalloBoards is taking its toll on my psyche, after all we're not about to become magically reborn as fertility gods on legs, launch platforms for gigantic rocketships. Fortunately most women find things more important in a guy. Still, I do remember that girl who dumped me for a black policeman, a boring idiot with nothing to say... HC What plagues our psyche are our insecurities, plain & simple. PhalloBoards, Thundersplace, PEGym, etc, may remind us of these insecurities, and for some, perpetuate them. Though I would stop short of calling the forums themselves toxic... if anything, "male-perceived" social expectations, locker room paranoia, and a misconception of female preferences are what's truly toxic! My hope for this forum (as well as the newer PhalloBoards version 2.0) is to not only educate future visitors on all things phalloplasty, but to remind everyone on the necessity to keep a healthy perspective on size & goals. I know I can't impose or enforce such ideas here alone. I just have to hope that the collective wisdom of this community/fraternity can take that next step forward and develop an improved outlook on size. Daunting perhaps...otherwise, we risk turning our anatomy into vanity, something with untold consequences. I can't pretend that I'm not eager to be big. I just have to remind myself why I want to be, and be sure those reasons are healthy. -S.O.
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