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Post by hoddle10 on Feb 14, 2011 13:16:31 GMT -5
Concerning complications, would like to know about the chance of lumps forming is this more prevalent while the PMMA is setting or something that can occur even once the PMMA has fully set. Hoddle10 was wondering if you have seen ur urologist yet. Did you get a chance to ask him about the possible removal of PMMA From everything i have read about the worst case scenario, having the PMMA removed, information seems to be sketchy at best. Would love to know the exact procedure and any complications that may occur while trying to remove PMMA. Everything aside am really happy that everything is going well for all you guy's that have had the procedure. i believe PMMA is looking by far the best and safest option for anyone wanting more girth in many many years. . I saw him last monday. He'd never even heard of PMMA, which I suppose is a good sign. If a reconstructive urologist is aware of something, it tends to mean he removed a lot of it. From speaking to him he's removed plenty of fat, alloderm and silicone, both liquid and solid. He also spoke about the damage done by oils injected in Asia. He did mention that he had a patient who lost his shaft skin to necrosis after removing silicone. PMMA obviously has risks, but from what I've read, i'd say it's probably the safest method available. The trouble is no US based Dr will ever say so, as they can't do the procedure. But common sense tells us that it's actual surgery that is most likely to do serious damage to the penis and thus we should be looking for the method that gives us the least exposure to surgery. PMMA is essentially non surgical and therefore has a massive advantage over the other methods. The trouble is that if something does go wrong, we'd need serious surgery to fix it and is a concern. But, this ignores the fact that that is true of all methods. Gary Alter once described taking Alloderm out can be like removing cement from a sponge. Sometimes the scarring left behind from removing silcone implants and dermals etc, is so bad the penis is left permanently bent and shortend. So from this point of view, we need to look at the method least likely to need removing. We've seen the published reports of problems with PMMA, but the data suggest less than 1% formation of granuloma's. This is the biggest problem with PMMA. Lets' say another 1% of people have other issue's and want it removed (ie inflamation or infection). That makes 2%. Compare that with FFT, Alloderm, Dermal grafts or Silocne implants. I'd say between them they average around 30% of people needing secondary reconstructive surgery. So whilst doctors aren't lying when they highlight the possible consequences of PMMA, at the same time, they aren't comparing it with alternative methods for PE. The key to remember is that it's on the surgeons table where by far the highest chance of serious damage being done exists. And thus the method that gives us the best chance of avoiding the surgeons knife, both for the initial procedure and in terms of the possible need for reconstruction, is by far the best method. Hence at the moment I'm far more pro PMMA compared to everything else available. However, it has to be taken into account that I'm only using the published data I can find on the web as the source for my beliefe that less than 2% will have problems and we may find in reallity this is different.
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Post by gerryc on Feb 14, 2011 14:04:37 GMT -5
bigbizo8 yep the extenders are a pain to wear after about 1 hour need to take it off and massage the little chap. But hope it will be worth it in the end. Have you had any gains as yet.
Hoddle10 guess thats good news that the reconstructive uroligist hasn't even heard of PMMA and i agree totally that PMMA is without a doubt the most safest method to date as it does not involve invasive surgery.
2% is pretty good odds when all is said and done
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Post by hoddle10 on Feb 14, 2011 14:29:23 GMT -5
bigbizo8 yep the extenders are a pain to wear after about 1 hour need to take it off and massage the little chap. But hope it will be worth it in the end. Have you had any gains as yet. Hoddle10 guess thats good news that the reconstructive uroligist hasn't even heard of PMMA and i agree totally that PMMA is without a doubt the most safest method to date as it does not involve invasive surgery. 2% is pretty good odds when all is said and doneThat's just my estimation and it's based on the what Artesmedical say concerning their trials of Artecol and Artefil (0.1% granuloma formation with Artecol). But they were done on the face, so the results in the penis could be different. So far in my research the only issue I've found with PMMA in the penis was necrosis, but this was caused by using a needle instead of a canula. I think we just have to admit/accept that there is no safe method. It really is a case of looking for the "safest" method and that to me is the one which gives least exposure to the surgeons knife. Based on what I've read that would be PMMA, but what one reads on the interent and what happens in reality are often different. I just wish there was some information on the amount of people who have had PMMA in Brazil. It's easy to find evidence of complications, but if it turns out 100,000 people have had the stuff, then finding reports of 50 odd problem cases suddenly becomes less of a big deal.
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 14, 2011 14:53:32 GMT -5
I'd throw Staged FFT into the mix of "safest girth enhancers" since it uses your own tissue and is less invasive then dermal graft or silicone implant. But I agree with Hoddle, PMMA as is currently being reported stands as arguably the safest...it is also (presumed) permanent.
Given Hoddle's reluctance on anything phalloplasty, and the fact that he is clearly even more skeptical than myself...I'm venturing to say that his comfort with it (versus alternatives) is good news for me taking the PMMA route. As always (and as Hoddle mentions)... nothing is without risk.
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 14, 2011 15:46:20 GMT -5
Gerryc it took me quite a bit to gain a little over a half of a inch but also my flaccid was about a inch longer also' me myself also can only weeat it for a hour at a time because it hurts like hell! I've been reading about a extender called vacextender which I heard is a million times more comfortable the most extender! If I was u they have a video on YouTube about the concept and why it's so comfortable which makes it better for long wear! I haven't gotten it yet but I heard it's really is comfortable
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Post by hoddle10 on Feb 14, 2011 15:56:03 GMT -5
I'd throw Staged FFT into the mix of "safest girth enhancers" since it uses your own tissue and is less invasive then dermal graft or silicone implant. But I agree with Hoddle, PMMA as is currently being reported stands as arguably the safest...it is also (presumed) permanent. Given Hoddle's reluctance on anything phalloplasty, and the fact that he is clearly even more skeptical than myself...I'm venturing to say that his comfort with it (versus alternatives) is good news for me taking the PMMA route. As always (and as Hoddle mentions)... nothing is without risk. The trouble with FFT isn't the initial surgery itself, which as you say, is safter than the other options. The trouble is the amount of guys who end up having it removed. If you just take the members of this board alone, there are quite of few of us who have had or want to have it taken out and the surgery to take it out is much more risky than the surgery to put it in. There are two fascia's (bucks and dartos) and shaft skin, that can be damaged when removing fat. I'm having the rest of mine removed this week (14 years after having it put in) and am far more nervous about this operation as I know the chances of problems are greater. Removing PMMA will be just as, in fact probably much more complicated, but I'd say the chances of wanting it removed are less, as it's apparently firmer, wont absorb and the chances of lumps much less (this is, of course, if what I've read is to be believed).
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Post by gsxr7501941 on Feb 14, 2011 19:05:53 GMT -5
Hey guys, if you want a video please send me your email. I have gotten several requests without email's to send them to. I have definately become more sensitive. When I have an orgasm now it is definately more intense. It is awesome. Wore a magnum xl condom last night for the first time in my life....it felt a little weird buying it at the store. It was funny because I bought it with the rest of my groceries, and my gf was with me, and the lady just kept looking at me, and then looking back at her. It was funny. Anyways, maybe my sleeve analogy was wrong. It just seems normal now that it has been longer. I think it is pretty natural. Not as natural looking as the other guys who had it done, but after my next one I am hoping it will be.
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Post by jasonbond on Feb 14, 2011 21:58:32 GMT -5
Everything is still good with me. I will be having sex on Friday for the first time since getting this done. I need to go to the store and buy condoms. Magnum XL it's going to feel good. I'll keep u guys posted.
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 14, 2011 22:08:44 GMT -5
Good Jason let us know how u make out with your first sexual encounter sense your procedure!! Good luck and good stroking
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 14, 2011 23:56:59 GMT -5
@hoddle
good luck with the surgery, please keep us posted.
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Post by envisionmore on Feb 15, 2011 2:04:04 GMT -5
@hoddle
Good Luck on the surgery! You have made some great points! I too think that PMMA is the safest PE procedure (currently). FFT may also be safe but I agree there are sooo many guys having it removed (past and present).
Did someone mention in an earlier post that there is a PMMA for Glans enlargement?
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Post by wisher on Feb 15, 2011 2:18:22 GMT -5
bigb - i ordered the vacextender and should be getting it in the next few days. i have a fastsize and it really can become painful. they sell an adapter set so you don't have to buy the whole thing. i'll let you know when i try it to see if it's any better.
i'm trying to extend my little guy as much as i can before i schedule the appt for pmma. i had used it before and had success but it took a long time. i seem to have lost some of the gains and i am hoping to get it back so that i get a better effect with pmma
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 15, 2011 5:54:31 GMT -5
Wisher I was going to get it also I have the fastsize and it is very painful, I here guys talking about thru do 4-6 hours a day in extenders and I'm like no way is that possible for me!! But can u keep me posted with the vacextender thanks and good luck
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 15, 2011 9:35:54 GMT -5
olafspowrong thread, post removed. If you would like, please post your experiences with the stretcher in the non-surgical forum. Thanks.
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 15, 2011 9:40:15 GMT -5
olafspoI should have just moved it over to the right forum/thread than having to delete it, so my apologies on that.
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