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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 5, 2011 3:42:35 GMT -5
Noticed some of these links pertain to the American-approved PMMA which uses bovine collagen - wonder if that has anything to do with the quality of the PMMA and its relation to granulomas ... or whether the risks are universal with any brand of PMMA (??)
Still reading, very interesting stuff... again thanks for the links!
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Post by smartman on Mar 5, 2011 7:39:09 GMT -5
sparticus
I will explain my past-clinical history with pmma injection:-
As I was studying in germany in the 1990s , one doctor in dusseldorf advice me to see prof. lemperle in frankfurt because i had around 1.5-2 cm in diam. mild bony depression in one side of my face due to old trauma and I didn't want any surgical reconstruction so I met him in 1996 , he told me about pmma injection and showed me his publication that time and his study on animals so in the next visit he did small skin test because of the bovine collagen allergic reaction which was -ive result for me and after one month he gave me the injection at that area of my face , it was deep injection at the bone (periosteum) , i had only one injection with no complication till now (I am not saying it wont happen to the others) I had v. good result.
I lost contact with prof.lemperle since that time.
In 2007 I heard about PE and I was interested in it , I sent an e-mail to dr. whitehead in NY,he apologized due to health problem and they advised me to have it by a doctor in LA , so I had penile lengthening and alloderm at the same time and have used the grip system for around 6-8 , unfortunately i lost most of the alloderm ( by the way i had two incisions pubic and near to the glans area) . I did my search about increasing penile girth by other method it read about about brazilian pmma penile bioplasty , then it came to my mind about artecoll (i have forgotten about it).
So i did my search to contact lemperle which i had succeeded to find his e-mail , he told me you can have it for PE , but you have to reduce any movement of the penis in the first few days ( he said it is the same as injecting pmma for the lips because of its movement ) so what he ment to use e.g. penile stretcher ( but only mild to moderate stretching ) he gave me three names who have v good experience in pmma injection 2 plastic surgeons in brazil and the other one dr.C (dermatologist) he asked me to ask them if they could do it he didn't know that time if they do penile injection or not.
I decided to go to a plastic surgeon and not a dermatologist , I contacted dr. sierra in Br.(well known in pmma injection in HIV patients and butts injection) he refused to do any penile pmma injection he said he didn't like it in the penis. So I had to go to the other one dr. samy passy in Rio.-Br., he had good experience about penile pmma injection, he published many articles ant wrote a book with a lot of picures (but it is in portuguese) he couldn't speak good english . I had two sessions of injections in around 9 months interval it was metacrill ( no need for skin test because it contains no bovine collagen it contains cellulose as far as i remember). He usually increase the width( or the diameter) of your flaccid penis (not stretched) till he reaches 4 cm , but i did incest him to increase it more , so what I have now stretched flaccid width or diam. is about 4.8 cm.
So I didn't go to dr.C and I dont know if he is good in penile injection or not.
Dr.Samy is old and I think he is retired now .
In Brazil mostly they use penile stretcher and not the ring.
I have no problem with pmma injection ( artecoll or metacrill ) no granuloma , no infection.
By the way my girlfriend supported me and she asked me to go for the 2nd session after she liked the result of the 1st injection.
In my opinion it is like ( Formation of Pearls in the Oyster):-
The birth of a pearl is truly a miraculous event.A natural pearl begins its life as a foreign object, such as a parasite or piece of shell that accidentally lodges itself in an oyster's soft inner body where it cannot be expelled. To ease this irritant, the oyster's body takes defensive action. The oyster begins to secrete a smooth, hard crystalline substance around the irritant in order to protect itself. This substance is called "nacre." As long as the irritant remains within its body, the oyster will continue to secrete nacre around it, layer upon layer. Over time, the irritant will be completely encased by the silky crystalline coatings. And the result, ultimately, is the lovely and lustrous gem called a pearl.
I told you my experience with PE and pmma in the face and in the penis.
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Post by envisionmore on Mar 5, 2011 8:57:50 GMT -5
I apologize for the delay on posting this but I was side tracked last night.
Dr C, Wade's response on Collagen breakdown as we age and PMMA I had also asked about the micronized alloderm.....
Cymetra is an absorbable filler that will disappear through the normal metabolic process of the body, attacked be enzymes like collagenese and others. Collagen and elastin age as we age, but there is always some left, otherwise we would be crumbling down into pieces, and PMMA is a "permanent stimulant" for collagen. Even though the history of PMMA as a soft tissue filler doesn't go beyond 30 years, the observed trend is that it will stay in the bodies with no major changes. The micro-spheres will remain surrounded by new collagen, even though around this process the whole body structures will be aging normally.
I hope this helps.
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Post by rondo on Mar 5, 2011 10:20:10 GMT -5
Question to anyone having had the PMMA procedure:
Did you pump prior? Do you or can you pump post? Do you feel it is necessary?
I have had the alloderm dual procedure with Rosenthal with excellent initial results, which appear to be gradually diminishing (sllllooooowwwwllllyyyy- I am 6 years post op). I hope to reverse or correct this leaner profile with PMMA. I'm concerned about further degradation of alloderm under the PMMA, and the potential for the need to remove it. Anyone have this procedure over allo/belladerm? Thought on pumping?
I'm on the bubble... back and forth on this one. The cost is very attractive. I am familiar with PMMA in industrial uses, not medical (think aircraft windshields). Also curious about Dr. Renel's thing .. can't remember the name.
Boy, what does a guy have to do to buy a bigger unit?!?!
BTW, after my first procedure, I 'graduated' to magnums too. I'm guessing they'd be a little loose these days (I don't use condoms at the moment)...
I'd love to fill them out again, and I know 'she' would too...
Thanks to all of you for all your feedback and information. Special thanks to the 'guinea pigs'... you help the rest of of make informed decisions.
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 5, 2011 11:10:14 GMT -5
I have had the alloderm dual procedure with Rosenthal with excellent initial results, which appear to be gradually diminishing (sllllooooowwwwllllyyyy- I am 6 years post op). I hope to reverse or correct this leaner profile with PMMA. I'm concerned about further degradation of alloderm under the PMMA, and the potential for the need to remove it. Anyone have this procedure over allo/belladerm? . Read the post 2 above yours. Smartman says he had alloderm prior to PMMA. |
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Post by bigbizo8 on Mar 5, 2011 11:25:17 GMT -5
E.P your pics look great, I'm only four day post op my treatment and still have a good deal of bruising around the top of my penis right below the head if the penis! I equivalent to pumping really heavy then you get that bruising, I talk to the Zobel and he said it should go away
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Post by stanlee on Mar 5, 2011 11:58:33 GMT -5
I had also asked about the micronized alloderm..... Cymetra is an absorbable filler that will disappear through the normal metabolic process of the body, attacked be enzymes like collagenese and others. . Thanks for posting this. I don't understand his reasoning here. If normal Alloderm is permanent, why would injectable Alloderm be degraded by enzymes? |
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 5, 2011 12:03:40 GMT -5
I had also asked about the micronized alloderm..... Cymetra is an absorbable filler that will disappear through the normal metabolic process of the body, attacked be enzymes like collagenese and others. . Thanks for posting this. I don't understand his reasoning here. If normal Alloderm is permanent, why would injectable Alloderm be degraded by enzymes? I'm not sure alloderm itself is considered permanent. I think I read that over the years tissue grows into the matrix and the alloderm itself is absorbed. It's pretty much the same as PLGA scaffolds, though it happens over years, rather than months. Injectable alloderm is't a matrix and therefore tissue doesn't grow into it, so when it absorbs nothing remains. |
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Post by skatezy777 on Mar 5, 2011 12:04:55 GMT -5
@evil
nice results man
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Post by stanlee on Mar 5, 2011 12:18:25 GMT -5
That is an interesting theory. According to Dr. Reed Alloderm is permanent and the idea that it is replaced by the body's own tissue over time is not the case. I don't know what the facts are.
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 5, 2011 12:25:48 GMT -5
That is an interesting theory. According to Dr. Reed Alloderm is permanent and the idea that it is replaced by the body's own tissue over time is not the case. I don't know what the facts are. I'm fairly sure it isn't permanent, as over many years of following PE, most Alloderm patients I've known have seen a decrease. On the last page of this thread alone, there are 2 guys who have seen the alloderm absorb. I got the theory of tissue growing into the matrix from a poster at MNS called LondonLad. LondonLad did a hell of a lot of research and spoke to several Dr's, so I assume he knows his stuff. This is what he wrote on the subject: " Alloderm is from dead people, belladerm is from live fat people, intexen is from pigs, plga is totally synthetic. They are all biocompatible scaffold matrices
The first three are acellular meaning they have been prepared by removing all original hosts unique cells. All 4 work on the principle that your own tissue, blood supply and cells grows through the scaffolds and the scaffold itself gets reabsorbed into the body.
With plga it biodegrades very quickly max 6 months, with the others it supposedly takes maybe 2 years.
This is in principle, as sometimes the allograft or xenograft may not totally dissolve. You can decide if this is good or bad. I don't know. But it may also dissolve unevenly." |
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Post by jasonbond on Mar 5, 2011 12:30:07 GMT -5
Hey guys I've been busy. I am 32 days in. Results are a little over 5.5 and right under 5.75 at base erect. Flaccid is 4.5 girth. I am 7.5 erect so my results are good to me. After 6 weeks I will see the results and decide if I want to go for round 2. I was thinking 6 erect but so far the women love this size I'm using magnum XL and it fits tight especially the base. I never measured erect while with a girl maybe I should so I can get real erect results because when I do it my self I don't feel its at its full potential like when I'm having sex because my penis doesn't stay straight out. I'll check back with you guys. Any questions please PM me bcuz this thread is super long. I'll just post answer on thread and answer direct.
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Post by sparticus on Mar 5, 2011 12:46:19 GMT -5
E.P.
The link I posted that was a review of the different fillers currently available talked about PMMA and did state that studies found itching for a period of time to be common after PMMA injection.
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Post by smartman on Mar 5, 2011 13:29:01 GMT -5
rondo
As hoddle10 said I had Alloderm before the pmma injection there is no contra-indication for that, only to be careful (thats my opinion) about injecting any filler ( not only pmma ) in your penis ( wich has remnant of alloderm or DFG or belladerm) there is a chance of introducing bacteria through the micro cannula into the penis which can cause infection of the remnant of the old graft, to avoid that :- 1-The penile skin should be completely cleaned and sterile before injection .
2- Usually you dont need antibiotic before or after the pmma injection (lemperle said that to me) but in your case and (in my case) you should have antibiotic before pmma injection ( e.g.ancef i.v. one hr before injection) and after the injection you should take augmentin i gram 2or3x a day for 7 days,some people they take augmentin tab. before and after the pmma injection without i.v. antibiotic.
3- Avoid any water comes to the small wounds until they are completely closed and healed , so if you have blood oozing from the wound which stays longer than one day you have to contact your doctor either to close the wound with a stitch ( normally no need to stitch the small wound post pmma injection ) and to cover you with antibiotic if you didn't .
(wound +water+bacteria+ foreign body---->infection)
That was only my opinion it is better to be more cautious ( only for people who had previous penile graft).
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Post by skatezy777 on Mar 5, 2011 14:23:53 GMT -5
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