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Post by skatezy777 on Nov 22, 2010 0:41:13 GMT -5
Anyone know the pros and cons of FFT, and how much gain one might get? I would be thrilled with a half inch girth gain all around.
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 22, 2010 3:13:40 GMT -5
Hey skatezy777, I moved this thread to the General Phalloplasty Discussion forum.
The "staged-FFT" method seems promising but data still remains scarce. I believe its very possible and realistic to obtain a half-inch of girth.
The pros, as I understand it, is that the procedure is the least invasive of the current techniques available. It is also arguably the safest as a consequence, since it uses your own fat cells to increase girth. Generally, FFT tends to cost less than alternative surgical methods.
Cons, as noted in the past, usually pertain to the aesthetics of FFT's long-term permanency. It has been reported on multiple forums that the fat will diminish over time and it may require "touch ups" or "top offs" to re-add/sustain girth. Penises that lose fat overtime may appear lumpy as a result of uneven fat distribution around the shaft. With FFT, you will have to plan & invest to top-off with your doctor multiple times, and each time has a cost (albeit lower than the original procedure's cost).
Hope that helps.
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Post by skatezy777 on Nov 22, 2010 14:28:19 GMT -5
Hi Skeptical,
Thanks for the reply. I'll look into it more. Right now I am sticking with manual PE for at least the next two years. I am averse to taking big risk procedures here, so I was looking for the lowest risk option available.
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 22, 2010 21:48:32 GMT -5
Manual PE is an excellent option and may end up giving you the gains you want w/out any surgical intervention. I should note, however, it will require discipline and long-term commitment, without any guarantees of significant and/or permanent gains (though entirely possible). Some have achieved remarkable gains using manual PE and I do believe it is legit.
I should mention to you that I'm on the same boat as you. I have been putting off surgery for a year or two not only to research my options, but to give manual PE a chance. I figure at the very least, if I don't obtain any gains, I'll have at least conditioned and stretched my penis skin in preparation for any surgery I decide to do. I have been off and on with manual PE and I know it will require a much more rigorous routine than what I have got going on right now.
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Post by idm on Dec 17, 2010 18:24:59 GMT -5
I tried submitting posts 3 times today-lets see if this one goes through. I think its fitting to reply to this thread seeing that I'm sitting on a train returning home from my 2nd staged of surgery (1 year anniversary of the first procedure). All went very well-minimal discomfort.
Every case I'd different, mine included lipo of a substantial suprapubic fat pad and excision of some redundant skin (I used to be heavy but that seems to be a stubborn area to lose fat).
Pe is real and my journey will consist of probably 1 more top up, more stretching (NO PUMPING FOR A YEAR DUE TO THE GRAFT) and gather more info on the matrix shot ...might do that to. But this is where my pe journey will end.
I believe pe surgery is potentially dangerous and should only be undergone for those who really need it. All are not created equal and the best candidates are those who suffer emotionally from micro or. From being marginally "average".
I don't have much patience for guys w/8 inch penises complaining that they're not 10.
My blogging days will be behind me soon, as I pan to move on- this is "penis wkend" so to speak....having my surgey (done) and moving on b/c I must.
My advice to newbies (advice I wish were given to me): stretch/pump intelligently for @ least a year. If your a candidate-go fft route and continue to augment until your hearts content. (No pumping for min. Of 6 mos. After surgery or you'll lose the graft). Keep your finger on the pulse of the matrix shot. Don't put anything foreign into your body-that includes plastic in all forms.
The doctors I trust most on this scene are: Gary Alter,MD and Stephen Giunta,MD
I'd love to know more about Runnels but need to learn much more.
For the stat lovers among you: Pre-op Length-"0"- Beat that! Due to fat pad and redundant skin Bone pressed-2 inches Erect-5" on the button
Post op (first op included lipo/skin removal lig release and fft) 3 inches flaccid (Gained another 3/4 of an inch stretching for 1 year Erect-now a hair under 7"
My girth was never too bad probably between 4.5-5" Pre-op (just b4 yesterday 5.5....not sure what it'll be after this round.
My goal is to solidify the 7". Length marker by continuing the stretching a bit more and continue to work on the girth til I acheieve my desired 7X7 goal.
I wish you all great success and good decision making. "S.O"- stay confident and know this is possible.
I will be available by PM through Sunday.
Wish you all Peace and good Health!
Idm
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Post by viduka on Dec 18, 2010 17:57:59 GMT -5
Amazing result so far, congratulations!
I have a few minor questions:
"My advice to newbies (advice I wish were given to me): stretch/pump intelligently for @ least a year."
- Why do you recommend stretching and pumping for a year prior surgery?
- I know you have mentioned that you are using a stretching device post surgery, did you also use that in an extensive way pre surgery - what kind of stretching do you recommend?
"If your a candidate-go fft"
- What makes one a candidate for fft?
I'm asking this because it in many ways sounds like you know more about this procedure (both before and after) than most doctors.
I know for sure that if anything should help me keep a steady stretching and pumping routine, it would be that its beneficial for a future surgery.
/Viduka
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Post by viduka on Dec 18, 2010 18:03:21 GMT -5
Oh, one more.
- To what degree have you experienced lumpiness and nodules?
Personally I'm willing to sacrifice some (or more) aesthetics for girth.
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Post by idm on Dec 18, 2010 19:49:05 GMT -5
Amazing result so far, congratulations! I have a few minor questions: "My advice to newbies (advice I wish were given to me): stretch/pump intelligently for @ least a year." - Why do you recommend stretching and pumping for a year prior surgery? I RECOMMEND STRETCHING/PUMPING TO BETTER PREPARE THE PENIS FOR WHATS TO COME. I FEEL THESE METHODS DONE WISELY ARE VERY THERAPEUTIC AND ARE TANTAMOUNT TO PHYSIOTHERAPY. THESES METHODS MAY IN AND OF THEMSELVES PROMOTE GAIN PRE-OPERATIVELY, AND CERTAINLY HELP GRADUALLY STRETCH THE SKIN TO A GREATER CAPACITY. - I know you have mentioned that you are using a stretching device post surgery, did you also use that in an extensive way pre surgery - what kind of stretching do you recommend? I DID NOT STRETCH OR PUMP PRIOR TO SURGERY. I DIDNT HAVE THAT ADVICE BUT WISH I HAD B/C I FOUND IT BENEFICIAL. *VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE,HOWEVER, I DIDNT START PUMPING UNTIL 9 MOS POST OP AND WON'T DO SO AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 9 MOS B/C I JUST HAD ANOTHER FILL. THE GREATEST RISK TO A SUCCESSFUL GRAFT IS PREMATURE STRESS ON THE GRAFT. THIS IS WHY DOCTORS WARN AGAINST SEXUAL ACTIVITY FOR P LEAST 6-8 WEEKS (THATS PROBABLY THE TOUGHEST ASPECT). I USED AN ALL DAY STRETCH DEVICE...MINE WAS MADE BY X4 LABS. "If your a candidate-go fft""CANDIDACY" IS BASED ON HAVING SUFFICIENT BODY FAT TO HARVEST, UNLESS YOURE A GYM RAT W/MINIMAL BODY FAT OR SKINNY BY NATURE, MOST MEN HAVE SUFFICIENT FAT TO HARVEST. - What makes one a candidate for fft? I'm asking this because it in many ways sounds like you know more about this procedure (both before and after) than most doctors. DONT KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT IVE HAD THE SURGERY AND MY LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES PERHAPS HAVE GIVEN ME SOME UNUSUAL INSIGHT. I know for sure that if anything should help me keep a steady stretching and pumping routine, it would be that its beneficial for a future surgery. HOPE THAT HELPS-ALL THE BEST TO YOU! /Viduka
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Post by idm on Dec 18, 2010 20:05:12 GMT -5
After the very first procedure last year around this time, I felt a small nodule toward the base over time a certain % of the transfer absorbs this is to be expected, w/that absorbtion the nodule (which was smaller than a small pea) dissolved. I would describe the tissue which remains as unnatural feeling or "lumpy". If you have a fat graft YOU may know its there but I don't think your partner would detect anything unusual at all. Oh, one more. - To what degree have you experienced lumpiness and nodules? Personally I'm willing to sacrifice some (or more) aesthetics for girth.
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Post by idm on Dec 18, 2010 22:22:44 GMT -5
Clarification: typing too fast-meant to say: "I would NOT describe as unusual or lumpy"! After the very first procedure last year around this time, I felt a small nodule toward the base over time a certain % of the transfer absorbs this is to be expected, w/that absorbtion the nodule (which was smaller than a small pea) dissolved. I would describe the tissue which remains as unnatural feeling or "lumpy". If you have a fat graft YOU may know its there but I don't think your partner would detect anything unusual at all. Oh, one more. - To what degree have you experienced lumpiness and nodules? Personally I'm willing to sacrifice some (or more) aesthetics for girth.
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Post by jasonbond on Dec 19, 2010 14:57:32 GMT -5
Has anyone done Dr. Giunta's new method FFT with stem cell? I am interested in getting this done. I need more info thanks
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Post by Skeptical One on Dec 19, 2010 18:38:45 GMT -5
jason, you can PM idm.
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Post by sheldon on Feb 18, 2011 23:58:47 GMT -5
idm: Could you elaborate more on your surgery? I was going to write to Dr. Guinta, but I thought it might be better to write to you since you went to him and seem to have medical background. Is Dr. Guinta a fairly nice guy? And is he getting better results since he is using PRP with his FFT? One thing that always scared me about FFT PE is the 'Coke bottle/telescoping' effect in the erect state. Does yours look aesthetically ok in both flaccid and erect states - or does it look like a corndog? (helpfully S.O won't mind me using one of his terms). How is the area behind the glands - smooth transition from glans to shaft? Did you use thegrip or autoextender? Could you elaborate on your post-op stretching routine from the first surgery? I assume that Dr. Guinta used a laser to cut your suspensory ligament, correct? This seems like a relatively easy procedure. Did Dr. Guinta enlarge your glans as well? One thing on Dr. Guinta's website is that is states to wrap with Coban to minimize fat lumps after FFT - did you follow this advice as Dr. Guinta's stated and did it help minimize fat lumps? Did Dr. Guinta tell you the girth measurements both flaccid and erect of the patient from here: www.drgiunta.com/fft-platelet-rich-plasma.htmlSorry for all the questions.
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Post by sheldon on Feb 19, 2011 0:25:35 GMT -5
idm: Sorry but there are a few more questions to ask: www.drgiunta.com/fft-platelet-rich-plasma.htmlConcerning the time to harvest PRP in this paragraph: "The commonly accepted method of harvesting/isolating Platelet Rich Plasma is by using centrifuge separation of the patient’s blood into the three levels defined by spin separation. Once the enriched and concentrated PRP is collected, Dr. Giunta introduces it into the harvested adipose tissue, then leaves it to incubate for a period of time to release growth factors and other compounds into the mix in the appropriate amounts. Finally, it is reintroduced in the penile shaft where it will aid in the fat retention and healing processes. This further increases the fat retention rate (and graft growth) to reduce even further the need for subsequent “refilling” of the surgical area to maintain the desired thickness volume." This phrase, "incubate for a period of time", how long does the incubation take? Dr. Guinta is claiming 50% gains in girth - I guess this is for 2nd or 3rd stage FFT. Just assume before surgery your girth was 4.5 and now you are at 5.5, that is a ~22% increase; 4.5 X 1.22 = ~5.5. Good luck in becoming 7X7!
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Post by donjuannabe on Feb 19, 2011 10:04:40 GMT -5
Hi Sheldon, in another post (think it was the bunk Elist thread) you used a quote from Dr. Guinta re: his ability to add length and girth to some patients with implants. I am just wondering if the length he is proposing is attainable if you get a lig-cut with him, or if the actual stem cell matrix does some lengthening? This stem cell stuff is really interesting to me, but I still cant figure out how Dr. Runels and Dr. Guinta can add legitimate length to the penis by injection? Dr. Runels isn't sharing (yet?), and while I haven't spoke with Dr. Guinta, he doesn't offer any technical details on his website.
Btw, sorry to reply to your post in this thread, I just wanted to make sure it didn't get deleted if and when the fake Elist thread is removed. Cheers!
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