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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 28, 2011 12:22:52 GMT -5
sparticusSimply because the studies are flawed or biased, doesn't necessarily mean that the actual product itself isn't effective. What it does mean is that we can't say with scientific certainty that traction devices work, at least for now. Similar to Dr. Klein's conflict of interest with temporary filler companies. While we can't take what he says to be clean of bias, that doesn't necessarily mean what he is saying can't actually be true. just my 2 cents
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Post by sparticus on Mar 28, 2011 12:27:35 GMT -5
I can see what you are saying, but when a company pays for the study or pays the researcher investigating their product, I have a serious issue with that and feel it is biased and unethical. I feel the results are null and void because they are going to be so biased that there is no way you can take what they claim seriously. In my opinion, if they really worked there would be legit research and the companies wouldn't need to have paid shill physicians run the studies for them.
Its not just upsetting that you could pay up to $500 for one of these things and get completely ripped off, but because the studies are bogus we don't know the true risks. For all we know, using an extender could cause permanent nerve or functional damage to your penis.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 28, 2011 12:37:24 GMT -5
sparticusGranted, the results are null & void. As for legitimate research, thats where I think it becomes tricky. I think any company who has the openness to take on penis enlargement equipment tend to be associated with the industry that you accuse of being bias (which they are). Furthermore, I'd contend that such studies in academia are surrounded by a great deal of taboo, hence perhaps why there is so few studies in general. I bet there is more useful info on phalloplasty between MNS and PhalloBoard's combined than any study ever made. Again, I say that to point out the considerably lack of public knowledge regarding PE. I think most companies are intent on selling bullshit pills rather than putting emphasis on researching the effectiveness of bulky equipment that most men can't use just anywhere. Besides, you could conceivably make the majority of PE equipment by obtaining parts from Home Depot. Now I'm not saying that the equipment will work, and there are many people who report having trouble gaining. But traction has worked in elongating other parts of the body, so I still believe the jury is still out.
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Post by sheldon on Mar 28, 2011 20:13:50 GMT -5
It would be an interesting study to see what extender is best: autoextender, JES, Dan Salas' extender, and then compare the best extender to thegrip and the Bib. I believe stretching is important and necessary not only to gain length after lengthening surgery but to prevent shortening. idm can vouch for this and is very knowledgeable. Stretching did help Dr. Bayard Ollie Fischer-Santos's patient make great gains using the JES extender. This was posted by EP here: phalloplasty.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=articles&thread=72&page=1but his post got deleted. I am not promoting thegrip, but read this about the use of traction: thegrip.com/grip/asp/asp_works.aspThis is a good example of a healthy discussion unlike what you see @ that other forum...  |
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Post by sheldon on Mar 28, 2011 20:15:32 GMT -5
Has anyone ever used the extender that Dan Salas featured on his Phallocare site? Were you pleased with it? How did it compare to other extenders, ie. JES, autoextender, etc.
Not promoting Dan Salas' extender - just making inquiries about it.
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Post by sheldon on Apr 11, 2011 20:54:17 GMT -5
For those of you who had the PMMA treatment, would you recommend the autoextender, JES extender, or the extender that Dan Salas had on his phallocare site (not sure if Dan Salas still sells his extender or not)
It was mentioned by some that using a stretching device post-PMMA treatment would help distribute the PMMA more evenly. Perhaps it would be good to spend a day or two at a hotel rest/recuperating, and stretching (as demonstrated by olafspo in this thread) to help even the PMMA out.
Just some thoughts...
Feel free to add your thoughts.
Thanks.
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Post by born2small on Apr 15, 2011 1:44:36 GMT -5
I too suffered nerve damage from using a extender I bought on Ebay. Like many, I'm financially poor because of a disability and can't afford surgery. I bought the device and didn't have any problems for 2 months except for having to wear the damn thing 12 hours a day. I took a nap 1 day and somehow rolled over and it tightened the "loop" and I woke up 3 hours later with a numb penis. Thank god it has slowly reversed the nerve damage a little.
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Post by born2small on Apr 15, 2011 1:49:52 GMT -5
In the 4 months I used it (it was 4 months, not 3 as stated) I had a marginal increase in length and zero gain in girth. I think for as long as I had to wear it, it was a waste of time. I'm going to try jelqing and weights next, but don't really think I would another extender. It1is kind of like busting ur ass in the gym 12 hours a day for months to lose 2 pounds. I used it correctly too. Maybe it works for others.
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Post by hoddle10 on Apr 15, 2011 14:25:42 GMT -5
I can see what you are saying, but when a company pays for the study or pays the researcher investigating their product, I have a serious issue with that and feel it is biased and unethical. I feel the results are null and void because they are going to be so biased that there is no way you can take what they claim seriously. In my opinion, if they really worked there would be legit research and the companies wouldn't need to have paid shill physicians run the studies for them. Its not just upsetting that you could pay up to $500 for one of these things and get completely ripped off, but because the studies are bogus we don't know the true risks. For all we know, using an extender could cause permanent nerve or functional damage to your penis. Why would there be legit research? Who is going to pay for this research? And is it even realistically researchable? All you could do is hand out the extenders and hope the participants properly follow the instructions they are given. Basically it would be pretty flimsy research at best. I'd say in the case of something like penis extenders, to argue that something isn't legit as there are no studies supporting the theory behind it, is a pretty poor argument, as likewise there are no studies to show they aren't legit. If something is easily and economically testable, then I'd say you've got a valid point, but I'd imagine research funding for something like this wouldn't be easy to come across. |
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Post by biggerbob on Apr 15, 2011 16:41:23 GMT -5
I just recently converted my old Andros extender over to the VacExtender that the Autoextender website sells. So far, I'm really happy with it. I did find out that you do have to follow the instructions pretty closely though as I put it on with too much of an air gap that causes a fairly large fluid build up on the glands. I had quit using the Andros because of the noose, it was causing me a lot of pain. Didn't cost all that much either. Should work with most extenders. I feel it is worth checking out. Trying to not sound like a shill for these guys, but I've been pretty happy with everything I have got from them so far, more so than other companies I have dealt with in the past.
As for the debate here about results, from my own personal use I gained just slightly over a 1/4" in erect length after using the Andros for over a year. Not much for the time involved, but it was enough that it makes me want to continue. I think the results are just going to depend on the person and how dedicated/motivated some one is. Some may see no gain what so ever, you could argue that a 1/4" could just be an error (although I don't think it was). Some could see more. I think if we as a community are willing to share our results, we'll get more info than a study. I realize that some demand photographic proof before they will believe, but personally I'm not comfortable with doing that just yet. Guess I still have image issues, but that is the way it is.
Just my opinion for what it is worth.
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Post by edupd on Apr 28, 2011 0:14:28 GMT -5
Anyone know how long it takes to receive an order from Autoextender? I haven't placed one yet but just making sure I leave myself enough time when I do order one.
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Post by biggerbob on Apr 28, 2011 11:52:57 GMT -5
They are pretty quick about shipping. I haven't had anything take more than 8 days to get to me yet. Good customer service.
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