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Post by justacouple on Oct 21, 2010 19:05:00 GMT -5
I'm relatively new to these forums but I'm no stranger to the idea of phalloplasty. I haven't had any procedures yet but I've been eyeballing this for over 10 yrs now. I'm now in a position financially that I could (without much $ leftover) do whatever procedure I feel is best.
I'm currently considering one of two drs for belladerm (one from beverly hills and the other from Philly) and one dr for "the" silicone implant. At first I thought Bella would be my best option but after talking with the silicone dr I'm now torn on what to do. What really grabbed my attention was the fact that he's got a patent for his product...which may or may not explain a lot of the negative comments you find online.
Can someone comment on one or both of these procedures and tell me what they think would work best and would help me acheive the best permanent results? Feel free to respond on this thread or by pm'ing me.
Any and all comments are greatly appreciated
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Post by Skeptical One on Oct 21, 2010 23:13:14 GMT -5
Welcome justacouple!
The glaring difference between the two is that silicone is unnatural whereas Belladerm is (kind of) natural. This is important when you take "rejection" and "survival" into account.
So with that being said, my understanding is that Belladerm poses less risk since it is donated human tissue and could "vascularize" with the surrounding penis for both a natural feel and look. However, its still not your "own" tissue, so it isn't full-proof.
The benefits of the silicone implant is the significant girth gain you achieve post-op. This was the reason I found it so appealing, especially since I lack heavily in the girth department. While it has a patent, that does not qualify it as a "better" choice. Its simply one of a few options.
I think it doesn't hurt to wait (whats a year or two if you've already waited 10?) to see if there are significant improvements in the current methods being put out. My personal opinion is that if you had to pick between only those two, the answer is dependent on your post-op goals. For example, if you are content with around an inch in girth increase, belladerm would be the better option. However, if you are skinny like me, the Elist prosthesis may be worth its consideration, especially if your goal is closer to 2"+. I should mention that both methods are still in experimental stages and there have been reported complications with these types of surgeries.
I also want to stress being realistic about goals you set when seeking surgery. Whether anyone here wants to believe it or not, an erect girth range (mid shaft) between 5 to 6 inches is optimal for most normal women. 4.5"-5" is arguably satisfactory if you have good erection quality. Granted, we all want 7" girths but from a lot of guys here and on MNS, its not what it cracks up to be. Be realistic and you will be a lot happier with your outcome should you decide to go under the knife.
FFT has also been reporting significant improvements in both technique in outcome, have you looked into this?
Please stay around and learn what you can, and remember, phalloplasty (the surgical augmentation of the penis) is technically an "underground" practice so all methods and techniques are imperfect and not accepted by any credible medical board. In other words, "enter at your own risk."
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Post by justacouple on Oct 22, 2010 8:08:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the response. Based on my findings online, it does appear that belladerm is a safer option than having silicone implanted into the shaft. I do understand there is a greater chance for rejection and I'm still determining whether it's worth the greater risk or not. My current measurements are...flaccid is approx 3.5" in length and 4.5" in girth and erect is roughly 5.75" length and just a bit north of 4.75 in girth depending on my arousal level. Statistics tell me I'm about "average", but if I could achieve .5 increase in erect length and 1" in erect girth I would be quite satisfied.
What do you guys think? Does that goal sound realistic and attainable to you? You say I could wait to see if things improve but what am I waiting for exactly. It seems that Bella is an improved version of allo so that's an improvement, right? And the silicone, according to the patent, has been around since the mid 90's..?
I was very confident about taking the next step and having the procedure by end of this year, but the more I read about the subject, the more confused I become. And forget about any dr's advice. If I listened to any of them then I wouldn't get the surgery because all they do is bash one anothers methods making it very difficult to choose.
FFT: no way. For one the technique seems very outdated and two, I'm a pretty lean guy which I think makes me a horrible candidate. Any thoughts with that one? We'll see what stones are unturned over the next couple weeks, but as it stands right now I plan on having this procedure the first week of dec. Again, I appreciate any repsonses or advice you all have.
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Post by mustang2020 on Oct 22, 2010 12:55:18 GMT -5
If you can wait a few more years, I think PE surgeries will become advanced enough to be common place like breast implants. We are now all lab rats.
The implant will give you the best girth but Belladerm seems to be less risky. Gaining erect length so far has been elusive IMHO.
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Post by stormy on Oct 22, 2010 13:53:48 GMT -5
Not to sound like a pessimist but I think it will be quite a bit more than a few more years before PE surgeries make any substantial progress. It's still a pretty taboo procedure and relatively speaking there isn't really much R&D going on with it.
I do think that if R&D time and money was pumped into it, there'd be no doubt that advancements would be made and pretty fast, but even in that case studies would have to be done on human subjects and the amount of time it would take for good data to be compiled would still take several years.
If I were to make a conservative estimate, I'd probably say within the next two decades if we're talking about a truly safe and effective procedure. And in the world of surgery, even in general practice operations there is never 100% safeness. Breast surgery today, one of the most common cosmetic surgeries, still has its fair share of complication rates.
If you're only looking for .5" length, have you tried any of the natural PE methods; jelqing, pumping, manual stretching? .5" wouldn't be that hard if you're an average gainer. Conservatively speaking, it would maybe take you a year max to gain anywhere between .5 - 1" and in that time there might be some slight advancements in the girth surgeries.
Funny how in the surgery world girth is the easy one to come by. With natural PE it's generally the other way around, length comes much easier than girth.
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Post by justacouple on Oct 22, 2010 18:09:21 GMT -5
First off, I just wanted to say this site could be a great resource but it's a little light on the members. Plenty of "views" but no members!!!
Mustang: I hear ya on the whole waiting thing but I think I agree with stormy in that we've got a long way to go. With regards to lengthening, I'm not as concerned with that as I am with the thickening. Considering there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in the price I figured I'd go for it.
Can you or anyone else comment on what I could expect in erect girth gains with belladerm? You see and hear about plenty of girth gains, but it's hard to see the erect results.
Stormy: I would love to get 1-2" erect length gain but, as you say, this might not even be possible. Again, most gains you see online are in the flaccid state which raises a red flag for me. In the "manual" length gain techniques that you mention below, are those gain estimates in the erect or flaccid state? Do you think those things could be done postop belladerm?
On 99.9% of online forums it would be inappropriate to make this next statement, strangely I don't feel weird at all saying this but....SHOW SOME DAMN ERECT PENISES!!!...pre and postop please.
Thanks for your input.
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Post by mustang2020 on Oct 22, 2010 18:23:25 GMT -5
Yes, a few years for me is 5-10 years...
Check out stalemango posts on this forum, he has some pix. If mns comes back, Kingpin has some Belladerm pix....
I am yet to see ANY ERECT length increase due to any PE or surgery. There are some comments about minor increases, like .25-.5 of an inch which is so small it can be an error of meaurement OR degree of excitment deviation. I know for me I can be up to .3" longer or shorter in erect length based on the girl I am with. The highest number will be just before climax, but that is hard to get, pun intended!!!!!!
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Post by Skeptical One on Oct 22, 2010 19:34:02 GMT -5
I hope all former MNS members repost pics here if they did so on that forum. And as for being light on the members... the forum is just over a month old and a lot of the "views" come from unregistered guests. GUESTS WHO CAN READ THIS REGISTER PLEASE And I didn't mean to confuse you justacouple, I just wanted to stress that there is no "right choice," since all current methods are still in "guinea pig" stages. Phalloplasty is still taboo, and as stormy pointed out, there is a lack of research & development in the field. Granted, belladerm is an improvement, but we have no long-term data on its effectiveness as an penile size enhancer. On the other hand, we have immediate needs. Stormy suggested it could take 2 decades before phalloplasty is as acceptable a practice as breast augmentation is. But I'm pretty sure you, and myself for that matter, don't have 2 decades. That is why we are at the mercy of our own research, deciding what method is best for us. Belladerm holds promise yes, you will simply have to commit to it with realistic outcomes. And yes, I personally think your size goals are reasonable justacouple. Especially from a surgical point of view.
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Post by justacouple on Oct 22, 2010 23:21:44 GMT -5
Mustang: I just viewed the stalemango pics and I must say they look impressive. Still, the idea of silicone implanted into my member is a bit frightening though.
Skeptical: I'm leaning towards the belladerm with what I hope to be realistic goals. If you don't mind me asking, I was wondering if you could share your experiences. It sounds like you've either had a procedure or know someone who has.
Thanks for the feedback y'all
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Post by Skeptical One on Oct 23, 2010 0:01:33 GMT -5
I haven't had a procedure done yet. I'm in your boat, still currently reviewing all the options before making a decision. To be honest, I'm mostly leaning toward "Staged FFT," but my decision is by no means final.
I've followed threads on other forums for the past few years so I have seen the rise and fall of doctors and methods, hence my username "Skeptical One."
I have no real "experiences" but I could say that I'm someone who's significantly lacking in both girth and length (more so girth). Its one of those things where, everything else in my life is satisfactory minus my sex life.
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Post by justacouple on Oct 24, 2010 8:46:03 GMT -5
Skepticalone: best of luck to you when you do decide to take the next step in PE. I like the name skepticalone so much that I was debating on using part of your member name and almost went with "skepticaltoo". Although my skepticism lies more with who and what is written on that's sites more so than the procedures themselves...I've been told that I'm a paranoid person before but sometimes I don't always buy into what people are saying (selling) on these forums.
I'm hoping to make my decision by the end of this week and am shooting for the first week of December if At all possible.
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