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Post by uptownblk on Jun 20, 2011 10:40:44 GMT -5
Hi guys I'm new to the board and wanted to say hello and ask a question. I've been trying to view the before and after shots/pics but I can't seem to see them. I've read the posts and see the link or abbreviation for the but still can't see them. Suggestions anyone ?
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dd72
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Post by dd72 on Jun 20, 2011 11:18:13 GMT -5
Sizemic and ss have bloggspots u can go to. If there not working, google them individually. There are links scattered threw the forum. Comb threw it and If all else fails, the new site will be up in a week hopefully.( the new site will have pictures)Also capital has a blog as well. If you pm members I'm sure they will send some to your personal email . Hope this helps.
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Post by miracle7 on Jun 20, 2011 12:17:48 GMT -5
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Post by skatezy777 on Jun 20, 2011 12:43:43 GMT -5
Hi Uptown,
Welcome! Just to give you some background, the forum used to have pictures posted (actually, quite a few) but proboards.com said that the photos had to be removed or else they would shut down the site (they said that posting those pictures violated the proboards terms of service). As a result of that, Skeptical One (the admin here) decided to open up a new messageboard which is not dependent on proboards and not hosted on proboards, so that upcoming website will have full pictures.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 20, 2011 13:03:44 GMT -5
And that new message board is near 100%!
I have to make a domain transfer (in the process of that today).
Then I need to upgrade bandwidth for the forum.
And then finishing touches on a few of the emptier parts of the forum.
A few members have already gotten a chance to explore beta, it's cool! It's not significantly different from this forum, but it does have 1 or 2 new "neat" features.
The bandwidth demands will require a donation system which will follow the creation of the board in the following weeks.
Sorry for the inconviences related to the absence of photos. As mentioned, some of our members have Blogs up with the photos attached. Other members will gladly email you their photos if they have the time.
For those who have not received my Alexbstn photos yet, pardon me! I will get them out ASAP! My inbox (both PM and email) can be hard to keep up with.
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Post by uptownblk on Jun 20, 2011 14:51:37 GMT -5
Thanks to all who replied and I look forward to being an active member. I have researched pe for about two years and know most of the many options. But I have now made up my mind to have the pe but I haven't decided which one yet. I'm leaning towards Dr. Elist but I haven't contacted him yet. My current measurements are 6 length and 5 circumference. My goal is 8x6 if that's achievable.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 0:17:11 GMT -5
uptownblk2 years of research means you must be familiar with MyNewSize, the forum that (once) contained the bulk of info regarding phalloplasty PE before this forum came about? I only ask because in the past 2 years, the Elist implant has trended downwards due to reports of complications. And MyNewSize (in its current form) is no longer a legitimate source for info. This forum will be useful in determining the best option for you. Some have had success with the Elist implant, others have not. Just be sure you know all there is to know about all the options before proceeding. Good luck!
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Post by uptownblk on Jun 21, 2011 1:40:37 GMT -5
@ skeptical one
Yeah I know that site and I have noticed the change I'm terms of the old threads being deleted. I'm still reading and learning but I thought Dr. Elist had the best deal in terms of how the implant is placed. But please don't get me wrong I'm here to learn and share so that I can make the best decision. I Don't want to look deformed or have an unrealistic appearance. Some of the pics in the links posted in this thread don't look realistic in my opinion and that's what I'm trying to avoid. Pls feel free to share any and all experiences you've had.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 2:27:23 GMT -5
uptownblkThe pictures posted in the above links are still within the downtime period. The best bet would be to seek out photos of those who are at least 6 weeks out from their last injection if you are curious to see more accurate PMMA results. To add, ssf35 has a noticeable gap between his glans and his shaft, similar to what I am experiencing. This is why 2nd sessions are almost inevitable to touch up (i.e. fill in the gaps) the penis in order to achieve the most aesthetically pleasing end result. Those who have gone in for a 2nd or 3rd tend to be happier with their overall aesthetics - but at the end of the day aesthetics are totally subjective and it is totally conceivable someone may not be happy with their end result's appearance. As for the implant, it isn't necessarily ANY better than PMMA or any other method when it comes to pure aesthetics, if that is what your concern is. I've seen multiple photos and a majority of them, I thought the implant was detectable, especially in the flaccid form. Unlike PMMA, there is nothing you can do to touch up the implant if it ended up looking unusual (other than taking it out). I'm not bashing the implant for this, I'm making an obvious observation. I will say Alloderm/Belladerm tend to pleasant aesthetic results when not faced with complication. FFT can also be a good option but there is risks or re-absorption that require multiple tops offs (and without the top offs, you'd have aesthetic concerns). May I ask what it was about the Dr. Elist option that you felt had the "best deal" in terms of how the implant is placed or how it ensures a better aesthetic result than say... PMMA or FFT that can be corrected in a 2nd or 3rd session (if need be) ? Just wondering, thanks.
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Post by uptownblk on Jun 21, 2011 10:08:16 GMT -5
@ Skeptical One
I was thinking the implant was the best deal because it can be removed if things went badly and that it didn't cause a problem with the function of the penis. And its placement is under the first layer of skin. You also mentioned one of my concerns which was its firm feeling when not erect. I have also read about men who had the FFT and it caused lumps and or reabsorbed unevenly. Also, I'm corned with how the FFT feels when your hard; is it still soft because of the layer of fat around the penis. I was hoping for a one shot deal instead of having to go back to an MD for fillers. Now that doesn't mean that one PE method is better than the other; it's just the idea that I had in my head. I'm simply looking for the "best deal", meaning with the best results and least complications. In terms of the pics that I saw, thanks for alerting me that they were still in their downtime and the appearance would get better. But it was only one set of pics that concerned me but my view is subjective and owner may like his appearance. By the way do you know of which doctor does the best FFT or Belladerm?
In terms of my desire/goal, I don't need to have the biggest cock in the gym. I just want a naturally looking penis thats thicker and longer if possible. I also know that I'm lazy and unwilling to do the stretching for many hours a day. I could deal with one or two hours daily but not anything over that.
I'm open to suggestions and pics, especially from guys who have had the procedures.
Thanks
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Post by messageman on Jun 21, 2011 11:11:36 GMT -5
Here we go again
Uptownblk If you have indeed been ‘researching’ PE for 2 years then you must have come across the horror stories linked to the implant. Quite frankly, I am very suspicious of anybody even entertaining the idea of getting it…especially with the very promising option of PMMA now on the scene. …Please explain concretely what the implant has over PMMA…
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Post by uptownblk on Jun 21, 2011 12:52:47 GMT -5
@ messageman
I'm not here to debate which is better PMMA or the implant. I found this site and I joined to gather more information. After 2 years of periodically looking into PE, I'm still curious of all the options. So I wont, "explain concretely what the implant has over PMMA" cause debating isn't my focus. And frankly, your suspicious thoughts are your issue.
I've been a member of the site for less than 48hrs, I'm not here to bring attitude but I also don't take any either.
I'm open to all information.
Thanks
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 21, 2011 13:46:29 GMT -5
uptownblkI think what messageman was trying to say was that if anyone has been researching PE (Presumably the phalloplasty aspect of it) over the past 2 years, one is extremely unlikely to favor the implant (given its cost & track record) over other options available on the market (i.e. FFT-PRP, PMMA). The implant could provide added girth, but you'll need to go with the starting size (and not the XL's) if you wish to maintain as realistic of a look as possible. If you choose this route, be sure to be aware of the risks involved (which include but are not limited to: implant detect-ability, infection, and rejection). With that being said, the implant has been successful for some. And it has not been for others. You'll come to see that the implant, Alloderm/Belladerm, scaffolds, and DFG methods have all had their fair share of complications. Only FFT & PMMA tend to possess the lowest frequency of complication and usually are more problematic when it comes to sheer aesthetics versus actual complication. The implant in particular has had its horror stories documented well both on this site, and especially on the old site before it was all deleted. Speaking of the old site, MyNewSize has the nerve to suggest hackers came in and deleted all the info. How laughable. MyNewSize is working directly with Dr. Elist (since if you go to MyNewSize dot com, you will see that it is in fact marketing Dr. Elist's implant) and all actions carried out on that forum have been shady at best! If Dr. Elist really wants to resurrect his reputation, he needs to abandon the practice of censorship on online forums, the hiring of shills, and the denial of legitimate problems related to his girth enhancement method. Oh and on a side note, don't anticipate any of these methods to give you significant length gains without actually committing to a post-op stretching regimen for at least a few months. Good luck.
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Post by uptownblk on Jun 21, 2011 16:24:38 GMT -5
@ Skeptical One
I just spoke with Cristian at Dr. Luis Casavantes office and he gave me the price points and will email me a fact sheet and photo gallery. I'll continue to investigate and thanks once again for all of the information.
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Post by messageman on Jun 22, 2011 9:25:36 GMT -5
@ messageman I'm not here to debate which is better PMMA or the implant. I found this site and I joined to gather more information. After 2 years of periodically looking into PE, I'm still curious of all the options. So I wont, "explain concretely what the implant has over PMMA" cause debating isn't my focus. And frankly, your suspicious thoughts are your issue. I've been a member of the site for less than 48hrs, I'm not here to bring attitude but I also don't take any either. I'm open to all information. Thanks Uptownblk Well actually it’s not “my issue”, it’s this site’s issue… The last few new guys who joined and started talking about the implant turned out to be shills for Elist. The pattern is always the same. The new ‘member’ would join…start talking about how eager he is to get a procedure done and that he was leaning towards “the implant.” All the while these “shills” would suggest issues with other procedures (which more often than not were non issues) but at the same time fail to address the awful track record the implant has. The reason I was skeptical was because that I would have thought that after 2 years of research-and judging from your posts, you are quite familiar with the implant- you would have come across at least one of these horror stories that are on the Internet for everybody to see…If I had had access to even one of those stories of infection, rejection, retraction, lop sided edges, and constant lying by this doctor, I would never have even thought about getting it… You also have had access to the PMMA threads, and if you had had the chance to read them(in your "information gathering), you would no doubt understand that this may very well be the “holy Grail” for girth enhancement…Success story after success story…Whereas the implant has basically the opposite effect… So I was very curious why you still were interested in the implant…I felt it was a legitimate question… I can now see that you are interested in PMMA…I wish you luck with that … If you bother reading my “Messageman’s Journey”, you will find that I have been in the trenches for almost 15 years with regards to penis enlargement….My next chapter (I’m writing it now) will detail my implant experience….It's a horrific story and one that I hope no other man has to suffer through.... I am cautiously optimistic that PMMA may very well be the breakthrough we’ve been waiting for…
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