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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 12, 2011 2:20:11 GMT -5
hunkchunklol I doubt Wade actually scours the forum, he's told me he's not as computer savvy as he would prefer to be. As for strategies on concentrations & volumes... Wade's suggestion seems to be a pretty good idea if you are constrained by travel & distance. I will say this much, at 5" BPEL & 3.5" EG @16cc composed of 20% PMMA my gains were significant and the irregularities have been minor . I should note that starting small would mean I would inevitably get the most out of the injections, and I should also note that my "minor irregularities" are obviously subjective. The majority of the photos I've seen have been mostly stable as far aesthetics are concerned. Most of these photos had an initial procedure of 20% PMMA and many of them would have negligible irregularities that I would argue were undetectable to the untrained or unsuspecting eye. Regardless of the strategy you opt for, I highly recommend calculating a 2nd appointment into the equation, regardless of how far down the road it may be.
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 12, 2011 19:44:07 GMT -5
@so
Thanks for your informative reply. I noticed that the other patient from France apparently also got a "substandard" injection density, given that he had to return the next day to get a new series generously offered by Dr C "on the house". I wonder if this isn't a policy for patients from France given that this would make two of us being given this same suggestion. Possibly French women have smaller entry points which may have caused their former patients from that country to voice complaints? Whatever the case I wonder why there is such a coincidence given that for example we have similar original sizes yet they treated you to double the concentration. Could it be different aesthetic tastes in France which makes them prefer to do less than more?
I will be back on the East Coast in September and could return for a touch up session then if required, so I don't see why my case should be treated any differently than an American resident who is scheduling with them. That's why I'd rather not necessarily go with such a tiny dosage, the smallest one I've ever heard of when I'm not a victim of micro penis to my knowledge.
I think I would want to have higher concentration of PMMA but maybe if they are concerned less quantity injected in terms of CCs? Or might it be due to a few irregularities to correct that they would prefer to do a first "trial run" prior to later giving me really noticeable girth gains?
How do you feel about your initial girth, is it hard to contend with such a change or is your adaptation to its size going well? The reason I ask is because if there is a psychological difficulty in adjusting one's identity then maybe I should take the sheepish approach they recommend, rather than go for the ultimate hammer.
Also, what are the irregularities you're mentioning? I didn't notice any in your pictures and wonder if there are maybe actual detected risks given my original skin or shape which makes them wary and not wanting to take any chances?
I would really like to be able to see a database of before and after PMMA pictures, and I don't mind a few small irregularities if these can be corrected by a second visit in Septmeber.
I think I will tell Nurse Wade that I would like to at the same time schedule a second session in September so that they will feel free to then take a more normal strategy instead of "beating around the bush".
HC
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 12, 2011 23:34:40 GMT -5
@hc
I'd say my initial girth is great and I have had no problem adapting to the dramatic increase in size. It's been wonderful and definitely confidence-boosting. I'm looking forward to added girth down the road.
The minor irregularities are purely aesthetic. On my shaft near the glans, there is a slight gap where more PMMA needs to be injected to give it a more uniform appearance. There seems to be a negligible amount of collagen formation on the left of my shaft as opposed to my right, which can also be resolved with a small amount of low concentration PMMA. These issues I feel are almost inevitable since penises are so diverse in shape & size, but fortunately they aren't major and should be resolvable in the 2nd appointment.
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 13, 2011 3:25:16 GMT -5
@so Thanks for candidly sharing these details about PMMA post op recovery and second session revisions. I find that Dr C offering them at a very low cost - one only a factor of product expenditures - is a very kind and honest gesture on his behalf. This makes it most of the time very reasonable to attain a close to uniform result even if it takes a third visit while keeping the costs at a finishing touch level. So it is conceivable that one could go for 3 sessions at only double the total cost of the first session. If one however has large girth objectives then of course it would end up being correspondingly pricey. In my original state I already have certain shape irregularities below the glans, and I wonder if this might not be why Nurse Wade suggested that I should go a very conservative route? Maybe they have noticed that larger concentrations of PMMA on areas which have deformities or irregularities only accentuates these distortions in shape, making them more noticeable and harder yet to compensate for during follow-up sessions? If so, I think my case would be a good trial basis for a new targeted protocol, enabling to verify such a technique in a somewhat unusual morphological configuration. This might also help future patients of Dr Casavantes see with stage one, stage two and stage three pictures, what can be accomplished by pursuing the enhancement first, using a method of shape correction, to only pursue at later stages the much desired gains in girth? While this takes longer it wouldn't necessarily cost that much more than a two session visit, aside from the additional travel expenditures and the fact that the first session which is at a fixed rate would cover only a smaller fraction of the PMMA used with the additional amounts being larger due to them being counted per CC. Maybe Dr C would consider offering a slightly discounted price per CC when taking a conservative 3 session approach to encourage patients to follow whatever protocol is most suited to their original configuration and final goals. ;D Thanks for any thoughts you or others may have about this, especially those with slight original shaping irregularities who received their first PMMA series of injections and monitored the result as per their original formation distortions. I will thus if useful and necessary forgo the much desired and even highly important initial girth enhancement prior to the planned visit of a very dear person, whom I wanted to not know of my original condition because I wanted to ensure that I was from the onset of this relationship quite satisfactory, and also especially so that she would not at a later date become acutely aware that I had undergone a medical enhancement procedure... HC
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 13, 2011 20:45:00 GMT -5
Here's the latest which replies to most of my questions regarding Nurse Wade's first letter. By the way, he answered each time in record speed.
The idea is that a lesser concentration has less chances of irregularities. Since you will not be returning for a second treatment until some time in the future, we will want take as many precautions as possible.
We will be able to do a complete session.
The decision for girth achieved will be yours.
One very positive aspect from this procedure is that the tissue becomes denser, and in the flaccid state retraction will become less, creating a longer looking penis. The erect length will not be changed.
When ever you decide to have the glans augmented, it will not affect the final outcome of the girth procedure.
I thought it would help to post this information for all to review, given that anyone traveling to Tijuana from a distant country will probably be given a very conservative first session as it may be assumed that they might not return again, or if so at a distant date. I received this reply after asking to schedule in advance the 1st session in July and the 2nd session in September.
HC
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 16, 2011 17:45:26 GMT -5
@hc
Before my procedure I had a chat with DR C I asked him his preferred route and with no hesitation he said 10 percent solution for the first session and possibly the next as well. He said that he could use 20 percent quite safely on the next session as it was much easier to control when there was existing pmma.
so I took his advice on that and he was relieved. I asked him why do you sound relieved and both he and wade said that everyone is pushing them to do more cc's higher cocentrations etc. He said he understands why and for some the risk of lumps (reversible) are worth it. But he prefers it to be an enhancement procedure and not a radical transformation.
I asked him what I could expect and he wouldn't commit I told him that most people get 0.75 on the first treatment and both he and wade said that information comes from the patients on this board and while it is true they don't want to guarantee anything and then get complaints. He also said what we all know that the thicker you are the less you will gain in circumference. So second session are often less. I said I was hoping for 1.25 increase after three sessions and they said that sounded fine but again he prefer not to speculate! Anyway I am all wrapped up (penis wise) its black and blue and looks like it has been stamp on by an angry elephant lol waiting for my first of three flights to take me home laters!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 17, 2011 3:33:45 GMT -5
justabitmoreI figured that might be why they suggest first using only 10% solution, it is a way of ensuring a smoother process for them but isn't ideal for those with considerable travel expenditures, budget issues, or who are in a hurry for rapid change. Do you know how much girth a 10% solution might give? Also I am thinking of having Dr Camacho perform a ligament cut at the same time but Dr C would do the PMMA injection first, when I thought it might be better to do so later given that one's shaft would presumably be longer making it easier to give proper injections to the base ? HC
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 17, 2011 15:57:02 GMT -5
justabitmoreI figured that might be why they suggest first using only 10% solution, it is a way of ensuring a smoother process for them but isn't ideal for those with considerable travel expenditures, budget issues, or who are in a hurry for rapid change. Do you know how much girth a 10% solution might give? Also I am thinking of having Dr Camacho perform a ligament cut at the same time but Dr C would do the PMMA injection first, when I thought it might be better to do so later given that one's shaft would presumably be longer making it easier to give proper injections to the base ? HC @ HC Not sure yet but I can assure you it will be fine! read my update thread and look at those numbers yes I am swollen but it had reduce already and I am almost hoping it will come down more so 10 percent is definitely still very effective! If I were you I would seriouls consider not to do the lengthening first. I have heard so many unhappy stories about it and I can almost assure you that if you go and gain yourself an inch or inch and a half girth you will be sooooo happy and might save yourself from going under the knife. YOu can always do it later of course! Remember erect it will make almost no difference so my advice would be to do this first and see if that doenst change your life enough!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 18, 2011 7:25:31 GMT -5
justabitmoreYou're at 7" erect length so it is easy to say. I am only at 5.5" BPEL which means that getting appropriate girth will leave me with quite a short stump. I figured that with a gain of approximately 1" flaccid length through a ligament cut plus PMMA preventing turtling I would move half of the distance between a grower and a shower. Plus if by using 6 months of extenders daily I could keep up to a 1" gain in BPEL after surgery, which would make overall proportions far more acceptable for attaining a 5.5" girth. This is why I'd like to do both at once, especially if Dr Camacho-Melo finally replies to confirm that he does intervene throught the scrotum avoiding telltale scars. If you were 5.5" would you avoid a lig cut? HC
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Post by hoddle10 on Jun 18, 2011 8:06:28 GMT -5
hunkchunk, don't do the lig cutting with Dr Comacho. There is no point risking the scarring that can result from Y/V incision.
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 18, 2011 8:11:56 GMT -5
justabitmoreYou're at 7" erect length so it is easy to say. I am only at 5.5" BPEL which means that getting appropriate girth will leave me with quite a short stump. I figured that with a gain of approximately 1" flaccid length through a ligament cut plus PMMA preventing turtling I would move half of the distance between a grower and a shower. Plus if by using 6 months of extenders daily I could keep up to a 1" gain in BPEL after surgery, which would make overall proportions far more acceptable for attaining a 5.5" girth. This is why I'd like to do both at once, especially if Dr Camacho-Melo finally replies to confirm that he does intervene throught the scrotum avoiding telltale scars. If you were 5.5" would you avoid a lig cut? HC Yes I would avoid th cut. HC you have an average length penis!! its not small its not big its average! IF you end up with 5.5 Length and 5.5 girth you will be above average by a nice margin. Trust me 5.5 pmma girth will blow them away and make the girls happy. I don't consider myself to have a long penis a 7EL also I am 194cm tall and weight 100kg so it doesn't look that long but even with that I hit many girls cervix and several smaller girls I had to be in the right position to fit go all the way in. HC 5.5 is i fine and with 5-5.5 girth you will have a big Cock my friend you will be Hunk Chunk the French Crusader ;D Be happy my man. Go on the penis visualizer and put your stats in and then put 5-5.5 girth and you will smiling. ALso with 5.5 lenght you can if you want go for 5.5 girth and 5.75 6 base no problems!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 21, 2011 2:48:25 GMT -5
hoddle10Thanks for your advice. Others here have warned me also and I have since learned that it isn't a scrotal incision so I will NOT be doing the lig cut there and will see if length gains can be had with extenders over time. justabitmoreThanks for your reassuring words. It isn't simple to address the issue of target dimensions when one strives for change. And I am starting to come to grips with the fact that if for any women your size is such an issue then there is certainly some other shortcoming in the relationship which sheer physical abnormality might have concealed, her staying with you to fulfull her fantasies rather than because she actually cares for you. Thanks also for your testimonial, I only bottomed out with a few women and hitting their cervix is one of the things which hurts them more than we know. I had figured that with the small gains from a lig cut I would still be under your length and not so much at risk of doing so. But you're quite right that it is wisest to go with whatever length we have and simply strive for girth improvements which will make them more satisfied, and many quote between 5.5" and 6" as being optimal girth meaning that by respecting aesthetic proportions that lower maximum is quite satisfying for them or for us. Again, I appreciate your kind words, as coming from more modest dimensions it sometimes is hard to hear of their instinctive reaction to very large members who by simply being their size cause them to squirt in vaginal extasy... HC
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 21, 2011 11:39:16 GMT -5
@ HC
Also lenghtening only real effect is in flacid state.
lol I like your idea that sheer will cause instant vaginal squirt lol the truth is that I think guys with big cocks wish it was true!
I know a guy with a big cock whose fiance cheating on him and I sure it wasnt because she wanted something bigger!
5.5 girth and you are good to go!
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Post by mexmuscle on Aug 14, 2011 19:44:43 GMT -5
Let us know how your are doing on this when you can!
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