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Post by regtam25 on Jun 2, 2011 18:44:15 GMT -5
nah i posted on the site looking for info after going to dr elist website. i know that through manual pe you can grow. that is where im coming from. i gained maybe an inch but probably from better eq and weight loss(lost 70 pounds). i also read bens progress on here and i spoke to a dr elist patient. i want to know really who had the surgery and why did they take it out. i hear alot of opinions but no actual facts. this is something very important to me and alot of people who are thinking about this particular surgery. i believe if you can gain 3-4 inches in manual pe in years you should be able to do it in a shorter time with surgery and manual pe. am i wrong? please let me know. thank you all
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 2, 2011 18:51:55 GMT -5
With all due respect, Mustang isn't speaking from speculation, he & Messageman are both former Elist patients, what they say actually merits respect regarding the implant.
The likelihood of gaining any ERECT* length with the implant without the use of an ADS or a stretching regimen is very slim. Flaccid length may see a "visible" increase, not necessarily new size.
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 2, 2011 19:01:38 GMT -5
i didnt see mustangs message while i was typing. im not fully set on this surgery. i just want to know why he or messageman took theirs out? or anyone for that matter. i dont know too much about phalloplasty being im coming from a whole 'nother pe realm. i just want to kknow unbiased opinions from both sides. no disrespect to anyone i just want to know. give me your experiences and let me make judgement from your situation that is all.
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Post by gless on Jun 2, 2011 21:36:14 GMT -5
Replaced after a year because it was crooked and slid halfway down my shaft during sex. Doctor put the larger new implant in me which caused necrosis 3 months after procedure and burst through the skin. He does not take his time; therefore the procedure is hit or miss. It was crooked everytime and it feels fake as hell even after a year. If the procedure goes without complications and you are married then great. If you are single then any woman who feels your flaccid dick will know and it is a very uncomfortable experience to say the least. Anyone who says it is undetectable is a liar.
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Post by messageman on Jun 2, 2011 22:55:33 GMT -5
Here we go again... It always starts with some new poster just curios about the Elist impant...who went to the time and trouble to contact Dr. Elist but neglects all the horror stories this implant has caused...Then, the poster will subtly suggest that all the issues associated with the implant are the patients' own fault...Of course the patients wil glowingly talk about other patients the "Good Doctor" has put them in touch with...All the while they have no interest in new , extremely promising procedures that have had very few complications thus far... Ragtam25 Why are you choosing the implant over PMMA (or any other girth procedure for that matter)? For the record...My implant was removed almost 6 months after I had it put in due to infection...The doctor said he had no idea why it became infected... There are numerous stories like mine on this site...Why don't you take the time to peruse them...It makes for some educational reading...
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 3, 2011 7:36:01 GMT -5
Here we go again... It always starts with some new poster just curios about the Elist impant...who went to the time and trouble to contact Dr. Elist but neglects all the horror stories this implant has caused...Then, the poster will subtly suggest that all the issues associated with the implant are the patients' own fault...Of course the patients wil glowingly talk about other patients the "Good Doctor" has put them in touch with...All the while they have no interest in new , extremely promising procedures that have had very few complications thus far... Ragtam25 Why are you choosing the implant over PMMA (or any other girth procedure for that matter)? For the record...My implant was removed almost 6 months after I had it put in due to infection...The doctor said he had no idea why it became infected... There are numerous stories like mine on this site...Why don't you take the time to peruse them...It makes for some educational reading... all im trying to do is get a good prospectus on the surgery. im a new poster to this kind of pe but i have been doing manual pe for a while. all i want is facts and no fillers pardon the pun. i know this forum was started because of the other forum having shrills and its like that forum is pro surgery and this one is against it, this topic already generated over 100 views and all i see is the same 2-3 patients that are on every topic of the doctor putting down the surgery. all i want to know is what happened to make you get it out. i go there and its "this surgery is the greatest ever" and i come here and its "this surgery will ruin your life". all of the research i have done on the net and i have not found any malpractice issues with the doctor nor has he had any complaints from patients. thats why i asked you guys. if there are any other forums i can go to to get more patients to talk please tell me. also isnt pmma fairly new? just like you feel people are guinea pigs for this doctor, wouldnt i be a guinea pig in that surgery? at least this procedure has years of good/bad reviews right. point blank im no shrill i dont even stay on the west coast of the usa. im just curious and want to know detailed info on the surgery and WHY YOU CHOSE TO TAKE IT OUT. i mean thats why we're here right? to help each other.
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Post by hoddle10 on Jun 3, 2011 9:24:35 GMT -5
Here we go again... It always starts with some new poster just curios about the Elist impant...who went to the time and trouble to contact Dr. Elist but neglects all the horror stories this implant has caused...Then, the poster will subtly suggest that all the issues associated with the implant are the patients' own fault...Of course the patients wil glowingly talk about other patients the "Good Doctor" has put them in touch with...All the while they have no interest in new , extremely promising procedures that have had very few complications thus far... Ragtam25 Why are you choosing the implant over PMMA (or any other girth procedure for that matter)? For the record...My implant was removed almost 6 months after I had it put in due to infection...The doctor said he had no idea why it became infected... There are numerous stories like mine on this site...Why don't you take the time to peruse them...It makes for some educational reading... all im trying to do is get a good prospectus on the surgery. im a new poster to this kind of pe but i have been doing manual pe for a while. all i want is facts and no fillers pardon the pun. i know this forum was started because of the other forum having shrills and its like that forum is pro surgery and this one is against it, this topic already generated over 100 views and all i see is the same 2-3 patients that are on every topic of the doctor putting down the surgery. all i want to know is what happened to make you get it out. i go there and its "this surgery is the greatest ever" and i come here and its "this surgery will ruin your life". all of the research i have done on the net and i have not found any malpractice issues with the doctor nor has he had any complaints from patients. thats why i asked you guys. if there are any other forums i can go to to get more patients to talk please tell me. also isnt pmma fairly new? just like you feel people are guinea pigs for this doctor, wouldnt i be a guinea pig in that surgery? at least this procedure has years of good/bad reviews right. point blank im no shrill i dont even stay on the west coast of the usa. im just curious and want to know detailed info on the surgery and WHY YOU CHOSE TO TAKE IT OUT. i mean thats why we're here right? to help each other. You'd do well to find malpractice issue's with any PE surgeon, eyt we know guys get botched surgeries all the time. Loads of guys on this site seem to have had botched surgery, yet few if any take legal action. I've had 2 bothced surgeries and never felt inclined to take legal action. Rhienchild operated for 15 years before anyone did anything about it. The surgeons make you sign documentation which cover their ass and also benefit from the fact that nearly every guy who gets this done, would be too embarassed to take legal action.
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 3, 2011 9:50:54 GMT -5
i feel you. im just looking for the best option for MY dick. if read a couple of pmma threads and i can get the desired girth without erect loss but why is it so cheap? that kinda scares me a little. plus any bad experiences with it i would like to hear. all in all i appreciate all the comments and i just want to have more girth without complications later in life or initially for that matter. thank you all for your responses and let me know more about the pmma lol!
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Post by messageman on Jun 3, 2011 12:39:49 GMT -5
Regtam25 If you’re at all serious about getting this implant, look through the threads on this site for the Elist implant…You’ll find all the answers you’re looking for… But I will say this…Anybody who chooses to get the implant after reading all the horrific personal accounts ought to have his head examined. You say the fact that PMMA is so cheap “scares you”? Don’t these horrific “implant” personal accounts scare you?
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 3, 2011 12:46:08 GMT -5
they scare me and ive done more extensive research on here. pmma looks to be the option i would choose because of all the good things i hear from it. i just wanted an unbiased opinion thats all
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 3, 2011 15:18:47 GMT -5
regtam25You should decide what option is best for you, implant or PMMA or anything else. Don't rush into a decision and be sure you've learned what you can, from this forum, other sources on the net, and from the offices of the various doctors providing PE services. I certainly would not use MNS dot com as a resource, they are incredibly unreliable and biased. They impose censorship and I doubt anyone here with a real negative account with the implant could ever post their story there. On this forum, you can discuss the good & the bad. This forum isn't anti-Elist, and you'll see that we actually have a few members who are content (to some extent) with their implants. But don't be surprised by the negativity surrounding the implant, the kind of complications that have arisen from this procedure are unacceptable. And regarding your PMMA being "cheap" question: PMMA is not as expensive as the implant because 1) it's a bioplasty procedure (not surgery) with usually less than 20 cc's of PMMA, and 2) it's done abroad (which usually equates to lesser cost). It by no means is "cheap" and the quality of the physician is certainly premium. Lastly, pardon the scrutiny if you are truly genuine poster, but your approach is reminiscent of past shills (as Messageman pointed out). The way you ask questions, the way you (inevitably) and so willingly defend a doctor you have never met, the insistence on trying to get answers even though they've been given to you repeatedly. I am all for legitimate inquiry on Dr. Elist, I'm just not sure why all the recent ones sound the same.
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 3, 2011 16:29:42 GMT -5
i came on hear looking for the most unbiased response to a procedure i dont know anything about. like i told you, if you want to know how to gain from manual pe i can help you a little. but i hear something from a forum and i dispute it by coming hear then i hear the opposite here with it not being good. im trying to gauge who is right myself. im no shill. i live in nc. never heard of this procedure before a day or two before i first joined here. never heard of pmma or anything like this before. i hear a couple of guys putting the procedure down when i hear so many praising it had me second guessing what happened with them. if i came off defensive about my dick i apologize. i came to read alot more on pmma thanks to messageman and im gearing toward that. i have a size genetics ads and a good stretching routine i will get back into to get over 8 closer to 8.5 before i go ahead with the pmma. all i wanted to know was what is better and why they took it out. i dont want to be a horror story myself. again i apologize for any confusion
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Post by lastime on Jun 11, 2011 0:02:28 GMT -5
I hope you did get your answer though, on why people took it out. Gless said it was crooked everytime and also feels very fake at the same time. Not to mention, when necrosis happens, it is not a matter of " I guess i will take it out now". It is a matter that it must be removed by the physican due to there being a hole in your penisand a possibly skin graft to heal. with the surrounding tissues dying. I took mine out solely of the fact that it was very noticeable and fake, and it would be mortifying if a women said" what is that in your dick", which they absolutely would have if I let them touch it.
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Post by sheldon on Jun 12, 2011 13:07:40 GMT -5
@regtam,
Did you PM mrstone to ask about his satisfaction with his implant? He seems quite happy.
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