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Post by regtam25 on Jun 1, 2011 11:38:19 GMT -5
how is everyone doing? i currently 7.5x5 and ive been doing manual pe for about 3 months. its going well but i would like to gain more girth and more length. now i heard that the longer you are the more penis can be extracted from your inner body. i spoke to dr elist yesterday and told him how big i was and he told me i could be 2-2.5 inches bigger in length and girth. also i wouldnt have to use a ADS anymore because the device would stretch me to the new size. that would put me at 10x7.5. I really want to hear from people who actually had the surgery(good and bad) and if bad tell me what really happened to give you your complications. also is what he told me true?
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 1, 2011 12:51:14 GMT -5
You could conceivably get those gains in girth, but next to impossible with length. Consider yourself super lucky if you achieved even 1" of length without an ADS with this procedure.
As for girth, that's a considerably large amount to put in all at once. There definitely is a risk for pressure skin necrosis and/or rejection (as been reported in the past). I personally would recommend going for a smaller implant (should you choose this route) so as not to overwhelm your penis.
I should note, there are guys who have successfully accommodated the larger implants as well, but length gains are far and few (if at all).
Your best bet is to review all options for penis enlargement before settling on one method. The Elist implant has both positive & negative reviews, so you must accept that not all outcomes are the same.
Good luck.
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 1, 2011 13:21:14 GMT -5
yeah i kinda figured that. so lengthening surgery will not give you 2 inches? i thought they cut the ligs to make it longer?
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 1, 2011 13:53:26 GMT -5
The implant by itself does not give you any ERECT length increase. It will give you some flaccid length increase in the 1-2 inches because it forces your penis to stay extended and semi hard 24/7. The girth with the implant is a sure thing barring any complications with the surgery.
As you may know there is PMMA too for girth increase only.
You may PM some of the members here for more info.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 1, 2011 14:03:53 GMT -5
That's true, if you were referring to flaccid length, it would not be unusual to see an appearance of a "gain," because the flaccid hangs out longer. But in the erect length, without any stretching or traction I'd be surprised you could even get close to an inch.
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 1, 2011 14:53:39 GMT -5
ok well when can you start stretching? im sure it would have to be a while after the surgery? anyone who has had the surgery please chime in. thank you for responding.
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 2, 2011 0:35:52 GMT -5
Stretching after an implant is almost impossible and will hurt like hell. You can't grab the glans easily because the implant is right there. It takes over six months for the implant to settle down, mine took over 8 months. At your claimed 7.5 erect length, you may look into girth only with the implant or with pmma. If you really need extra length, then stretch as long as you want till you get your desired length THEN go for what ever girth method you decide is good for you. The implant has had many problems in the past and pmma has been great so far but we have a short time data base on it. So may be after you are done stretching, we will have more data on pmma (as far as any complications, so far none to speak of)
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 2, 2011 7:12:47 GMT -5
thank you for the advice mustang. thats what i was planning on doing stretching for another 6-12 months then having the surgery. but i saw that the more penis you have externally the more you have internally i should be able to get at least 2 inches if people with 4 inch penises can get 1.5. i will do more research and keep manual stretching but i really believe i can get to at least 9 after surgery. and yes manual pe does work! i just want a monster.
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Post by messageman on Jun 2, 2011 11:08:31 GMT -5
Hi I'm an ex-patient of Dr. Elist's... Before you choose the implant option, I would thoroughly research it… One only needs to review the carnage this doctor has inflicted… on several members of this site (alone)…to come to conclusion that this procedure is far too risky… And…I would not consider Dr. Elist a primary source of information… Length increases? If you’re lucky…you’ll get your original length back after 6 months to a year…And if you’re really lucky (and if your implant hasn’t become infected…which is a huge “if”) then you might get an extra half inch… I would explore the alternative of PMMA if I were you….
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 2, 2011 11:14:46 GMT -5
regtam25I'm not sure there is anything authoritative that would suggest longer men have more internal penis. If there is, please share. I would also take Mustang's advice and commit to manual penis enlargement prior to any procedure to obtain lengths. 7.5" is more than satisfactory and you are above average. Your girth is also satisfactory, but if you wish, even an inch in girth gain will give you a very large overall unit for sure! 7.5x6 is huge! Most women will not have experienced that much penile volume and anything bigger is just pushing your luck (and what I mean by that is that when patients get too aggressive with obtaining length & girth surgically, it almost always ends up in disaster). Consider these suggestions and advice to be serious and genuine. Myself and the others wish nothing but the best for you. That is why it is imperative you understand all the risks before undergoing any surgery. Have you considered any "strictly girth" alternatives? There are a few.
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Post by regtam25 on Jun 2, 2011 12:46:43 GMT -5
i spoke to one of the patients that had the surgery over a year ago and he told me he went from 6 girth to 8.25 at the base. he said he gained a inch in length and that the loss was due to healing time at the beginning. he also told me he knew of two people who had their implant taken out and one did a marathon two weeks after the surgery(fool!) and the other had aids and didnt tell the doctor. he said if i follow the doctor to a T i should not have any problems. for the guys who had the surgery, when did you have it taken out? was it weeks or months down the line? also what happened to make you get it taken out? im really curious and would like to know. thank you all for the responses.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 2, 2011 17:17:52 GMT -5
regtam25He gained an inch in erect length or flaccid length? If it was erect length, he was either shilling really hard for Dr. Elist, or was a genuine anomaly. The lengthening procedure doesn't seem to be that effective unless you couple it with a committed stretching/traction regimen...and even then 1 inch is optimistic. People report length gains with just a stretching/traction regimen alone without surgery. This is why I personally recommend against the ligament-severing procedure. Besides, some actually report retraction post-op which means you are inevitably going to have to use an ADS or something similar in order to regain lost size. Earlier in this thread, you were told length could be gained without an ADS post-op. You need to realize you've being given a sales pitch.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 2, 2011 17:18:11 GMT -5
@regtam
I'm also curious, in your research have you checked out MyNewSize.com? They seem to have a lot of former Elist patients, but it has been troubling to learn that the website employs censorship and shilling. Makes you wonder why Dr. Elist would associate himself with a very commercial & biased forum. Have you obtained any of your research from that source? Just wondering.
Also, have you considered other PE options like FFT, Alloderm, Belladerm, PMMA, Scaffolds, or even the experimental Runels Injection? This forum contains a lot of info regarding the aforementioned methods.
Lastly, how would you respond to Messageman's post?
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Post by hoddle10 on Jun 2, 2011 17:27:23 GMT -5
@regtam I'm also curious, in your research have you checked out MyNewSize.com? They seem to have a lot of former Elist patients, but it has been troubling to learn that the website employs censorship and shilling. Makes you wonder why Dr. Elist would associate himself with a very commercial & biased forum. Have you obtained any of your research from that source? Just wondering. Also, have you considered other PE options like FFT, Alloderm, Belladerm, PMMA, Scaffolds, or even the experimental Runels Injection? This forum contains a lot of info regarding the aforementioned methods. Lastly, how would you respond to Messageman's post? I think he actually owns MNS now. I think it was part of the deal so that he'd help Chad in his court case with Dr Krakovsky. I think Dr Elist was a witness for Chad and in return was given MNS. Apparently Chad no longer works in the PE business, hence the quality of shilling on MNS is now so terrible and it's obvious that most of the posters are shills. Chad was a scumbag, but he was at least good at being a scumbag. When Chad was running things it was tough to tell who was a shill and who wasn't. The current crop of MNS shills might as well have an "I am a shill" badge as their avatar.
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 2, 2011 18:39:51 GMT -5
i spoke to one of the patients that had the surgery over a year ago and he told me he went from 6 girth to 8.25 at the base. he said he gained a inch in length and that the loss was due to healing time at the beginning. he also told me he knew of two people who had their implant taken out and one did a marathon two weeks after the surgery(fool!) and the other had aids and didnt tell the doctor. he said if i follow the doctor to a T i should not have any problems. for the guys who had the surgery, when did you have it taken out? was it weeks or months down the line? also what happened to make you get it taken out? im really curious and would like to know. thank you all for the responses. The girth at the base can be up to 2" increase in erect state. who told you those patients had a marathon and aids? Most complications were: infection from surgery, sharp implant edges that sometimes went thru the penile skin, Early sex that caused infection and inflammations, severe pain from stitching at the glans, crocked implant sticking to one side or another, loss of erect length, stitches breaking off and causing implant to dislodge, scar tissue causing pyronies deformation when implant is removed and a few others. There were some good success stories like Mark, CK, StaleMango and a very few others. In my opinions, the implant has some good applications like in the micro penis case, BUT EVERYTHING has to go perfect for a good outcome(no infection, proper installation of implant, extreme care post op, no sex for three months minimum...etc)! The guy who gained an inch must be in the flaccid state, not erect state. In Erect state, most patients lost some erect length. seems like you mind is set on the implant. The Dr. will treat you well but be aware of removal problems, I am sure the Dr. will tell you all about them.
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