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Post by stalemango on Oct 10, 2010 12:26:41 GMT -5
For those who are curious about how Dr. Elist inserts his implant, he has a video of him performing the surgery on his YouTube account. After watching it, I don't understand how he stitches anything at the glans since he doesn't make an incision there. I love the way he closes the pubic incision by stitching on the inside, though.
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Post by Skeptical One on Oct 16, 2010 18:49:51 GMT -5
Wow... I knew we had to deal with banner advertisements...but apparently "proboards.com" doesn't mind tossing one's next to video attachments? Gahhh! Sorry guys for the nuisance, its out of my control at this point, we'll just have to live it with.
Proboards use of ads is what keeps this site free.
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Post by terrarvm on Jan 29, 2011 14:45:24 GMT -5
The theory behind the prosthesis seems very simple but the reality is that it is not successful for everyone. I know many people, myself included, who have had problems with retraction, with the implant perforating through the skin and the stitching coming loose and the implant coming out of place. When that happens, it's no longer simple...
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Post by hoddle10 on Jan 29, 2011 17:51:58 GMT -5
When you watch that video clip and see how basic the whole thing is, it really does further raise the question of why no other plastic surgeon or urologist has thought of using the worlds most popular implant material for penis enlargement? It's such a basic design, that even a child could have come up with. So the amount of complications we are seeing with this method shouldn't come as suprise. If PE surgery was as simple as sewing a couple of strips of silcone together and shoving them under the shaft skin, then surgeons would have been doing it for years and it would be as popular as boob jobs. The lack of other Dr's to have done this most obvious of methods (and there couldn't possibly be a more obvious method for cosmetic enlargement than a silicone implant) should tell you everything you need to know.
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Post by Skeptical One on Jan 29, 2011 18:21:40 GMT -5
@hoddle,
I feel the same way. However, in playing "devil's advocate," I have been told that Dr. Elist is the only MD to do it because of the "patent" he holds over the technique and device (for augmentation and not necessarily just for ED). Not sure how much weight this holds, but it is the "pitch" being given to those who ask why other doctor's don't do it.
I personally don't know if the patent-excuse is legitimate or not, anyone care to chime in?
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Post by hoddle10 on Jan 29, 2011 19:59:33 GMT -5
@hoddle, I feel the same way. However, in playing "devil's advocate," I have been told that Dr. Elist is the only MD to do it because of the "patent" he holds over the technique and device (for augmentation and not necessarily just for ED). Not sure how much weight this holds, but it is the "pitch" being given to those who ask why other doctor's don't do it. I personally don't know if the patent-excuse is legitimate or not, anyone care to chime in? It's a marketing scam. The patent arguement was used by his "patients" who used to post on MNS (before it was shut down after the fake posters were outed) and they claimed he's the only guy who can use solid silicone in the penis. However, if you read the details of the patent, this isn't actually true. The patent is in fact utterly worthless and has no benefit other than to be used as a marketing scam. He holds the patent for his design, which he then doesn't actually use. He holds no patent at all for use of solid silicone in the penis. Also he's held several patents over the years, which vary very much in design. This demonstrates any surgeon can say he's doing something more complicated than sewing two strips together (which is all Elist is doing) and get a patent for it. But besides all that, I think Elist has only been trying his implants since the 90's, yet PE surgery and silicone have been around for decades. So the question still remain why didn't surgeons opt to take the most simple and obvious route before Elist even came along? Unfortunately the desire to have a bigger penis clouds our better judgement and guys come up with ways of convincing themselves that whatever method they are looking into is viable, despite all the obvious red flags. Elists implant has more red flags than any procedure to date and more horror stories than any method I've encountered, yet he's not short of customers. He's now on his 4th generation of implant and like the three attempts previously, he's telling his patients how great it is. Unsuprisingly he charges them to remove the old model and makes them pay for the new model. There is a guy from London who has PM'd me last week who had had the old one removed and replaced with the new, but has had the same problems. I asked him to post his story on the main forum, but he isn't ready to yet, which I fully understand, but I'm sure he will in time.
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Post by idm on Jan 31, 2011 22:12:30 GMT -5
Though a patent may exist, this is not the reason why MrElist is the only physician performing phalloplasty by means of silicone implant. He does not have any proprietary right to exclusively use a silicone implant in the penis.
Lets say for a moment this very basic design was widely considered safe, effective AND even protected by a "patent", considering the revenue potential, do you not think that other doctors/manufacturers would produce their version of the "Elist implant"? For that matter, why wouldn't Elist make his implants available to other physicians? (I can't help but wonder if this weren't his original plan btw).
Note the various doctors who use AlloDerm, BelloDerm-neither of these products are approved for the purpose of cosmetic phalloplasty yet different doctors use it, none can claim its use exclusively, and if there were a better option ie:silicone, they'd be using it! Especially given the cost of Allo/BelloDerm. Silicone in comparison would be much cheaper to use.
Its also important to note that MANY doctors implant prosthetic penile devices to treat E.D. I believe these same doctors would be performing c.Phallplsty w/silicone if it were SAFE. Implantation of a subcutaneous silicone implant is SIMPLE...far simpler than implantation of the prosthetic to treat E.D.
The real reason others aren't performing this surgery in this manner is because the risks are too high. There is not only a chance, but a likelyhood that a subcutaneous penile implant will not be tolerated (first 6-12 mos is particularly critical in my opinion). The better ones understanding is of the body, the better the understanding as to why this is such a bad idea.
Idm
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Post by johnyjumper on Feb 19, 2011 14:35:04 GMT -5
well there you have it. I have spoke with Elist three years ago and opted to wait and see . At that time I took time to research on the web off forums. I found Dr. elist ptns and designs also note he is a uraligist and his original design was for E.D . He told me it was patiants like myself who suffer from e.d and when using this meathod became larger. I called to speek to him on 2 13 2011 to see how things have changed I hav'nt spoke with him yet onley his asistant . She told me he no longer offers leangth too many complacations . I've researched penis enlargement since 1995 and wish now I'd have done natural streaching but I'm not all that small. I will talk to elist monday and post back. Oh ya his prices have went up also from 8500 to 10000; w t f
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Post by Johndoe on Jun 24, 2011 8:05:58 GMT -5
Though a patent may exist, this is not the reason why MrElist is the only physician performing phalloplasty by means of silicone implant. He does not have any proprietary right to exclusively use a silicone implant in the penis. Lets say for a moment this very basic design was widely considered safe, effective AND even protected by a "patent", considering the revenue potential, do you not think that other doctors/manufacturers would produce their version of the "Elist implant"? For that matter, why wouldn't Elist make his implants available to other physicians? (I can't help but wonder if this weren't his original plan btw). Note the various doctors who use AlloDerm, BelloDerm-neither of these products are approved for the purpose of cosmetic phalloplasty yet different doctors use it, none can claim its use exclusively, and if there were a better option ie:silicone, they'd be using it! Especially given the cost of Allo/BelloDerm. Silicone in comparison would be much cheaper to use. Its also important to note that MANY doctors implant prosthetic penile devices to treat E.D. I believe these same doctors would be performing c.Phallplsty w/silicone if it were SAFE. Implantation of a subcutaneous silicone implant is SIMPLE...far simpler than implantation of the prosthetic to treat E.D. The real reason others aren't performing this surgery in this manner is because the risks are too high. There is not only a chance, but a likelyhood that a subcutaneous penile implant will not be tolerated (first 6-12 mos is particularly critical in my opinion). The better ones understanding is of the body, the better the understanding as to why this is such a bad idea. Idm
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Post by sheldon on Jun 24, 2011 8:51:10 GMT -5
Though a patent may exist, this is not the reason why MrElist is the only physician performing phalloplasty by means of silicone implant. He does not have any proprietary right to exclusively use a silicone implant in the penis. Lets say for a moment this very basic design was widely considered safe, effective AND even protected by a "patent", considering the revenue potential, do you not think that other doctors/manufacturers would produce their version of the "Elist implant"? For that matter, why wouldn't Elist make his implants available to other physicians? (I can't help but wonder if this weren't his original plan btw). Note the various doctors who use AlloDerm, BelloDerm-neither of these products are approved for the purpose of cosmetic phalloplasty yet different doctors use it, none can claim its use exclusively, and if there were a better option ie:silicone, they'd be using it! Especially given the cost of Allo/BelloDerm. Silicone in comparison would be much cheaper to use. Its also important to note that MANY doctors implant prosthetic penile devices to treat E.D. I believe these same doctors would be performing c.Phallplsty w/silicone if it were SAFE. Implantation of a subcutaneous silicone implant is SIMPLE...far simpler than implantation of the prosthetic to treat E.D. The real reason others aren't performing this surgery in this manner is because the risks are too high. There is not only a chance, but a likelyhood that a subcutaneous penile implant will not be tolerated (first 6-12 mos is particularly critical in my opinion). The better ones understanding is of the body, the better the understanding as to why this is such a bad idea. Idm JohnDoe - care to expand on your message...?
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Post by John on Jan 9, 2012 10:25:24 GMT -5
I have a Elist implant and am very happy with it. The only problem I have is I think I went to big . I have trouble wearing cloths to hide the thing. My wife loves it. She would almost never give blow jobs now I make her do it before she gets it. I have had it for 2 years and after about 6 months have had sex almost everyday. I just dont see what the big motive to destroy the docs rep
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Post by Skeptical One on Jan 9, 2012 19:14:42 GMT -5
John, any such motives to ruin anyone's reputation are against forum rules. Any attempt at spreading misinformation is dealt with swiftly.
This forum (as is true for virtually most public forums) is the free exchange of experiences and journeys of men who have undergone phalloplasty, as well as those who are contemplating it. This means that if something is wildly popular, it will be talked about often. This also means if something is problematic, people will report it accordingly.
I detest your suggestion that anyone here has a motive, if someone says something negative about the implant, it almost always has to do with a poor outcome. How is this a motive?
I went to Doctor Bob, had the Fat Injections and now my dick is lumpy. I'm not happy. -- I drew this generic example up so you could see how to differentiate between people having valid reasons to criticize & be disappointed, versus actually ruining someone's reputation.
What isn't surprising is your lack of membership registration. You come on 2 years after your implant to rave about the greatness of the implant but do so in a way to avoid scrutiny (no progress report, no pictures, etc). I'm not accusing you of shilling, but keep in mind this is the only PE Doctor known to have had shills represent his work. You expect the forum community to look highly upon these kind of practices? You aren't exactly doing your cause any justice with this approach sir.
Lastly, any objective observer can see that non-shill testimony both GOOD and BAD have been tolerated of virtually every procedure, including the implant.
If you wish to continue posting, register an account.
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