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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 11, 2011 15:40:26 GMT -5
mrstoneI've noticed you have updated your status at MyNewSize, I'd hope you do the same here. And in that same update you also asserted that Dr. Elist has no brokers, but wouldn't you agree that at the very minimum, working with the MNS administrator constitutes as some form of brokerage? Furthermore, the confirmed shills who also post there with impunity must raise concerns that there are other brokers as well (or perhaps all one and the same)? For someone who has been a self-admitted PE crook, how in Heaven or Hell have you not seen the Red Flags littered all over MyNewSize and Dr. Elist's association with it? Why would your most recent update be so quick to absolve Dr. Elist's association with brokers/shills? And why would you update that site but not also spend an extra 3 minutes of your time to update the more active PhalloBoards? Why haven't you responded to Sheldon's questions regarding Chad Hedman? With all due respect, answers are needed. You of all people can appreciate why we as a forum must remain critical of those willing to hijack a discussion for the sake of injecting their own propaganda. You of all people self-admittedly can relate. Which is why you, of all people, are most obliged to answer.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 11, 2011 16:28:34 GMT -5
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Post by biggerbob on Apr 11, 2011 16:44:26 GMT -5
Beginning to look like another shill to me. Pops up, has the implant done (supposedly) and then disappears. Everything is fine, no pain, gained 16 inches in length. What a bunch of CRAP.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 11, 2011 17:12:59 GMT -5
Well ironically calling him a shill isn't exactly inaccurate, because we all know mrstone is at the very LEAST a "retired shill," (he's admitted being a shill in the past). This means he's in better position & experience to resume this line of work should he choose to.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt since he has yet to answer all of my questions, but know this: anyone who touts the Elist implant on an Elist-controlled forum (MyNewSize) is going to likely be treated as "GUILTY until proven innocent." Think that's unfair? Well I think misleading people for the sake of commission is far worse.
MyNewSize was/is a ghost town and the ONLY people keeping that place active are newgirth, mrthick, and unclejj, all whom have been confirmed or strongly suspected as being shills (just read their threads and don't tell me you don't get a good laugh??). That forum is notorious for censorship and you have to wait till your posts are "approved" before they are posted (and mine never get posted). Could you imagine if I did that kind of BULLCRAP over here? Imagine having to wait 24-48 hours JUST TO SEE whether or not your message even made it the forum... Could you only imagine how easy it is control the tone and message of a forum when you get to pick and choose what gets published? Why mrstone, why of all people would you associate yourself with something like MNS, knowing what you know now from all your months/years of shilling???
For those who are indeed successful Elist patients with nothing to sell, pardon the hard-line our members have taken with respect to trusting your testimony. You can thank the shallow salesmen at MyNewSize for creating this climate of mistrust. I hope this doesn't discourage any legitimate future members from sharing their experiences but I really can't do much to change this pervasive attitude toward the Elist topic. Many members here take this topic very seriously. Dropping $10k on an arguably life-changing procedure is a serious matter and those who think it's merely a game will pay the greatest price (or better put, take the hardest hit).
(sorry for the long rant)
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Post by biggerbob on Apr 11, 2011 18:39:33 GMT -5
Let me be clear for everyone, I am not against anyone who wants to have the implant done for their own reasons. We do have members that have been very happy with this. So if you have had this done, I'm not ragging on you.
What pisses me off is the underhanded and totally unethical nature of employing shills to skew the discussion and attempt to lead people to a specific clinic or doctor. Hell, I would be against PMMA if Dr. C was doing this kind of BS. I actually wish that there was an ethical doctor doing implants that would share the good, the bad and the ugly. It would then become another option that we could look at objectively and not have to try to wade through all the BS.
My point is just give us the info and let us make up our minds. It is my dick and I'll do what I think is right for it. I would expect others to do the same. As I always say; "I might be stupid, but I'm not dumb."
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Post by sheldon on Apr 12, 2011 22:58:59 GMT -5
Here is what SO was referring to: [from MNS forum] 01-30-2011, 06:38 AM large_one Junior Member Its Disheartening… Hello All, I’ve been reading this forum for a while and have considered Penis Enlargement surgery for a while too. However, I am more confused today than ever before. The purpose of this forum is to provide HONEST feedback, from genuine guys. I am not saying you are all fake posters………… there are some real patients here giving their honest feedback. BUT there are some posters who claim to have had the surgery done by Dr. Elist and have 2 posts and had their profile created their same month as their post. I mean MOST people who are considering this procedure will ask questions and do some research, not to mention the $10,000 they have to spend. They won’t come here AFTER their surgery to post twice. I am considering having the procedure done by Dr. Elist. However, I still to this minute don’t know what information is real on this forum and what isn’t. As soon as thread start getting deleted (just the ones with negative feedback about Dr. Elist) and hardly ANYONE posting their pictures from before and after the surgery its kinda fishy. I was reading another forum and it asked some guys who were claiming to have had the procedure with excellent results, don’t get me wrong I still think it is a great procedure in theory, were asked to post current pictures of their penis’ with the current newspaper and date in it………. And NOONE responded. If there are guys here, and I KNOW THERE ARE who have had the surgery with positive and negative results then share. Share you photos and comments. HELP people out, because I know I would. I would take pictures daily and show people the progress, this is how beat up and blue my penis looked the first day, to when its all better. I mean is that not what this forum is for? For us to help each other out? I’ve seen pictures posted by one person post op. there are more of you… It would be amazing to have a before and after section, write down your measurements before the op, then after with pictures and the doctor you chose and what your feedback and comments are…….. why are you shy? I mean wouldn’t you have benefitted seeing this before your surgery? Just because you ‘ve had your surgery don’t turn your back on the other guys out here…. We still need your help. Hope my thread does not get deleted, Send me PM with info or MSN contacts and we can chat. I really hope you guys see where im coming from. Best of luck to everyone and hopefully you guys respond. Best, Large_One 04-09-2011, 04:52 AM Kokomo_Grower Junior Member I've been wondering the very same thing. A lot of info but not much in the way of After the fact results. Not looking to see penis pics all over but No One? No one is that happy enough with their $10k and pain spent on this? Its a hard sell, especially when the Forum link on the Dr's website leads straight to this site. Thinking maybe heading in another direction. I would Love to see some folks prove this thread wrong please. SO, I hope you don't mind me posting this. In case it gets deleted from MNS, this will allow members and visitors here to read what SO was referring to. If Dr. Elist, the administators at MNS, or Chad Hedman get upset over this and threaten you with legal action, just delete it...I don't want to cause any problems for you or this forum. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't some members here and also members at MNS try to post there and mention this forum as a alternative were either banned or posts mentioning this site were deleted?
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Post by mrstone on Apr 18, 2011 17:13:26 GMT -5
Sorry for the break in posting, so much has gone on in the past 2 weeks. I am now in my forth week, doing much better and everything feel better. I still wake up occasionaly with the night boners, but its not as bad and its not every night. I promise you all I am not a "shill". I came here to let the cat out of the bag and give you guys the low down on the the industry. The point that I was trying to make in regards to Dr Elist is simply that he was the only one out there that did not accept a patient from a broker. Phallocare tried several times to get Dr Elist on board, but he never worked with them. I dont think that whats going on with MNS has anything to do with Dr elist, if you look now the whole site has been taken down. I just repost my original post on there today. When I asked the Dr why he linked the MNS website to his website his answer was simple, they are an old forum, they provide open and honest discussion and it prevents him from paying a web consultant to constantly update and monitor the forum he had on his site. He also stated that MNS get much more traffic than his website, so it would have different viewpoints and stories. The Dr also made it clear that he wants his patients to have all the info they can so they know what to expect with the surgery. As a pro in the art of manipulation, I can tell you that I believe the DR. I am happy with the implant so far, there are no complications that have come up, and everything the DR said so far has been accurate. Dr elist shared the stories of the guys that had complications, he told me why they had them and what he did to correct it. Were there any questions that I missed?
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Post by hoddle10 on Apr 18, 2011 17:44:05 GMT -5
Well Dr Elist is lying then. About 3 years ago Jeffrey Hall posted on the old yahoo group that MNS were now working with Dr Elist. Then suddenly loads of posters turned up at MNS who had had surgery with Dr Elist. 8-ball who had previously part owned MNS confirmed that Elist and MNS were working together. On Thundersplace, Chad admitted that he has a business relationship with Dr Elist. On MNS there was a thread in which it was announced that by mentioning MNS you get a free night at a hotel when having surgery with Elist. Of course the hotel thing was of no consequence, but it allowed Elist to know how many of his patients were coming via MNS and thus he could pay Chad his commission. It took a while to figure out how Chad was getting paid for shilling for Dr Elist, but the hotel deal answered that question. Dr Elist also helped Chad in his court case against Krakovsky. So whilst you suggested Elist was more ethical for having a broker, he is in fact the least ethical and whilst he clearly used a broker, he does it in a sneaky under hand way.
If Dr Elsit was ethcial then he wouldn't be doing his implant. We know for a fact he's changed the design many times, obviously due to problems. We know he quit doing the implant and reverted back to FFT, which must have been because of too many complicaitons. We know the Dr currently helping him with the implant says it still needs work. And most importantly we know of lots of guys who have had to have the implant removed. Yet he still continues to operate. He is hugely unethical.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 18, 2011 19:47:39 GMT -5
Thanks mrstone, I'm sure you can understand our reservations and our concerns, especially given your background in the industry.
It is absolutely ludicrous to say there is no involvement with MyNewSize and Dr. Elist. The main page is completely catered to providing services from Dr. Elist. Just a small amount of clicking & research, anyone can see that the silicone implant is the promoted method of choice there. MyNewSize also decides to bash Alloderm/Belladerm at the same time, criticizing its effectiveness, something you are known to have been doing. You and MyNewSize seem to sing in harmony, coincidentally or not?? And given the (alleged) scope of his practice I can't imagine why someone (Dr. Elist) who has spent a good buck to make his own website look pretty would hesitate paying MyNewSize (the phalloplasty site with the greatest web visibility & traffic) to promote his own product/service? It would be good business in theory (keyword: theory).
And please!!, "open and honest?" Could someone with objections or strong criticisms of the implant post on that forum? Guess what, they can't, I and many others have tried. Why do you think we all packed up and came over here?? Furthermore, only pro-Elist threads seem to have the advantage when going through the Censorship Blockade at MyNewSize. It's a joke. A tragic joke.
Mrstone, you of all people should sniff this stuff out in a heart beat. Yet you sit here and tell us contradictory information and expect us not to be critical? Let's get the facts straight here.
Dr. Elist has been confirmed in affiliation with parties independent of his practice with the objective of promoting the Doctor's work online both in the past (see Hoddle's post) and to this very day (just goto MyNewSize and see for yourself).
Dr. Elist has glossed over or withheld pertinent information regarding the safety, effectiveness, and longevity of his method, as confirmed by a number of members including myself. I'm not in anyway stating that his method is dangerous, nor am I discrediting it. I am, however, saying that he isn't as forthcoming as he should be.
There have been deceptive practices on this very forum (PhalloBoards) conducted by a person (or people) who have strongly touted the silicone implant. These deceptive practices have led to account bans.
And whether or not Dr. Elist uses a broker, it is clear he is using MyNewSize as a front for his PE "business." This in itself says a lot.
Mrstone, sorry again for my long rant(s), but your information is rather off for someone who has duped others before. You may want to offer rebuttal.
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Post by sheldon on Apr 18, 2011 19:48:41 GMT -5
Here is what SO was referring to: [from MNS forum] 01-30-2011, 06:38 AM large_one Junior Member Its Disheartening… Hello All, I’ve been reading this forum for a while and have considered Penis Enlargement surgery for a while too. However, I am more confused today than ever before. The purpose of this forum is to provide HONEST feedback, from genuine guys. I am not saying you are all fake posters………… there are some real patients here giving their honest feedback. BUT there are some posters who claim to have had the surgery done by Dr. Elist and have 2 posts and had their profile created their same month as their post. I mean MOST people who are considering this procedure will ask questions and do some research, not to mention the $10,000 they have to spend. They won’t come here AFTER their surgery to post twice. I am considering having the procedure done by Dr. Elist. However, I still to this minute don’t know what information is real on this forum and what isn’t. As soon as thread start getting deleted (just the ones with negative feedback about Dr. Elist) and hardly ANYONE posting their pictures from before and after the surgery its kinda fishy. I was reading another forum and it asked some guys who were claiming to have had the procedure with excellent results, don’t get me wrong I still think it is a great procedure in theory, were asked to post current pictures of their penis’ with the current newspaper and date in it………. And NOONE responded. If there are guys here, and I KNOW THERE ARE who have had the surgery with positive and negative results then share. Share you photos and comments. HELP people out, because I know I would. I would take pictures daily and show people the progress, this is how beat up and blue my penis looked the first day, to when its all better. I mean is that not what this forum is for? For us to help each other out? I’ve seen pictures posted by one person post op. there are more of you… It would be amazing to have a before and after section, write down your measurements before the op, then after with pictures and the doctor you chose and what your feedback and comments are…….. why are you shy? I mean wouldn’t you have benefitted seeing this before your surgery? Just because you ‘ve had your surgery don’t turn your back on the other guys out here…. We still need your help. Hope my thread does not get deleted, Send me PM with info or MSN contacts and we can chat. I really hope you guys see where im coming from. Best of luck to everyone and hopefully you guys respond. Best, Large_One 04-09-2011, 04:52 AM Kokomo_Grower Junior Member I've been wondering the very same thing. A lot of info but not much in the way of After the fact results. Not looking to see penis pics all over but No One? No one is that happy enough with their $10k and pain spent on this? Its a hard sell, especially when the Forum link on the Dr's website leads straight to this site. Thinking maybe heading in another direction. I would Love to see some folks prove this thread wrong please. SO, I hope you don't mind me posting this. In case it gets deleted from MNS, this will allow members and visitors here to read what SO was referring to. If Dr. Elist, the administators at MNS, or Chad Hedman get upset over this and threaten you with legal action, just delete it...I don't want to cause any problems for you or this forum. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't some members here and also members at MNS try to post there and mention this forum as a alternative were either banned or posts mentioning this site were deleted? The link to MNS that SO cited in this thread got deleted. Luckily, the contents of that link is still available to read here. Wonder how long before Dr. Elist, the MNS administrators, Chad Hedman ask you [SO] to delete it before they threaten you with legal action...
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 18, 2011 19:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 18, 2011 19:52:45 GMT -5
sheldonAnyone who tells me to delete information that isn't copyrighted can go fuck themselves. They would love to see this forum disappear, that we know. You know we would have probably been less critical & vocal if it weren't for all of the shill activity spilling over onto these forums. Do they really think we're idiots? Sheldon, thanks for saving that content, it is much appreciated!
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Post by sheldon on Apr 19, 2011 11:20:26 GMT -5
Dr elist shared the stories of the guys that had complications, he told me why they had them and what he did to correct it. Were there any questions that I missed? Could you elaborate on what Dr. Elist said about WHY guys had complications? Was it due to smoking, not using olive oil before surgery, not following post-op instructions, etc.
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Post by mrstone on Apr 20, 2011 16:31:17 GMT -5
Dr elist shared the stories of the guys that had complications, he told me why they had them and what he did to correct it. Were there any questions that I missed? Could you elaborate on what Dr. Elist said about WHY guys had complications? Was it due to smoking, not using olive oil before surgery, not following post-op instructions, etc. The doctor admitted that several guys have had the implant removed due to complications, as well as a few guys that had it removed because it was to thick. The main issue guys had were not giving it time to heal before they tried to have sex, one guy shaved the Area 2 days after the surgery and reopened the incision. Yet another guy had aids and did not inform the DR. Keep in mind this is all coming from the Doc, not from me. The doctor also said the if a guy has it in for 6 months or more, than has is removed they will still gain an inch of girth from the capsule.
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Post by mikehok on Apr 20, 2011 16:43:14 GMT -5
I find it extremely difficult to believe that having the implant removed would still leave you with 1 inch of gain. Just my opinion.
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