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Post by sacstock on Mar 2, 2011 22:34:12 GMT -5
Hi guys, new guy here. I've been doing manual PE for a year, and I've gained about 0.5" length and girth. I'm looking at surgical methods for girth enhancement, and I'm considering PMMA.
Here's the rub: I hear about guys getting 20 cc's of PMMA (or thereabouts). 20 cc's is about 1.25 cubic inches. Yet these guys get an inch or more of girth gain from that 1.25 cubic inch injection. From what I can calculate, if the PMMA just gets injected and firms up, the erect girth gain should be no more than 0.3-0.4 inches.
So, what's happening? Does the PMMA expand inside the body, or is there some sort of reaction going on? I'm confused...
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Post by skatezy777 on Mar 2, 2011 23:06:28 GMT -5
sacstocksorry, i don't know the answer to your question. don't want to hijack your thread, but do you mind sharing your manual routine? thanks.
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Post by sacstock on Mar 2, 2011 23:33:58 GMT -5
No problem, not a hijack at all. My entire manual routine is girth focused. I started edging in a cock ring, gradually working up to three ten minute sessions with ten minute breaks in between, every other day. After about a month of that I switched to clamping, working up to three twenty minute sessions with breaks in between. I use infrared light for pre-workout heating. In addition to the girth, I also gained approximately 0.5" of length from this routine, even though it is not length focused. All sessions start with about ten minutes of wet jelquing.
The key for me was intensity. My gains happened almost entirely during the first three months of clamping. However, my gains stopped a while ago, hence the interest in surgical methods. I have taken PE breaks and returned to my routine, but to no avail.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 2, 2011 23:37:05 GMT -5
Great question, I have an idea as to why but am not 100% so I will see if I can run it by their office...anyone else with an idea please share.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 2, 2011 23:38:05 GMT -5
also...20cc's is actually on the high side of Dr. C's procedure... I'm under the impression that he prefers 10-15cc's, but will adjust according to each patient (in other words, he can customize the amount based on what kind of penis he's dealing with).
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 2, 2011 23:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by bigbizo8 on Mar 2, 2011 23:42:54 GMT -5
That's a interesting question! I got 20cc a few days ago and mines is more than 2 inches larger in the flaccid state. But I'm still healing
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Post by bigbizo8 on Mar 3, 2011 0:12:26 GMT -5
Exactly what he said SkepticalOne
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Post by seeker on Mar 3, 2011 7:32:08 GMT -5
Maybe it takes up more volume because the pmma and your body fluids provide the girth gain. Eventually your body's own ingrowth would maintain the girth gain? Just thinking out loud. Anyone want to chime in?
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 3, 2011 7:48:41 GMT -5
According to the PDF file I linked above, it is actually not unusual to lose some size (from the PMMA) in the healing process initially, only to regain it via collagen formation (though I'm not sure how much is regained). As of now, I don't know of any post-op PMMA members here have reported initial size losses.
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 3, 2011 8:07:44 GMT -5
Does the CC refer to the amount of gel injected, or the amount of PMMA? For example, if it's reffering to just the PMMA and the solution is only 20% PMMA, then 5 times as much is being injected than we think. Basically the amount of injectable would be equal to 5 times the amount of PMMA. So gsx'x 12cc would actually be 60cc and bigboz's 20cc would be around 100cc.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 3, 2011 17:02:35 GMT -5
I was under the impression that 20% of the 12cc was PMMA, so 2.4cc of pmma? When I get a chance I'll run this by their office, if anyone gets to it before me please post. Thanks.
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Post by envisionmore on Mar 3, 2011 17:33:03 GMT -5
S.O.
I was under the same impression (?). 20% of whatever (cc's) is actual pmma the remaining is the carrier which is absorbed and replaced by collagen. But, I'm not 100% sure on this?
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 3, 2011 18:22:28 GMT -5
I assumed the same aswell, but it does seem odd that such small amounts are yielding such large results. I think with FFT 50ml of fat tends to mean about 2cm (0.8") gain in girth, but there is also a bit of reabsorbtion. Let's say 10ml of fat reabsorbs and therefore 40ml yields a results of about 0.8". It's odd the gsx can get a similar gain with just 12ml of pmma.
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Post by hoddle10 on Mar 3, 2011 18:29:14 GMT -5
According to JAM (a guy at MNS who had FFT), the day after he had a 10ml touch up, he was 0.2" bigger. He says he had hardly any swelling, but he must have had a bit. So how can 10ml of fat produce so little compared to 10ml of PMMA?
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