been reading the forum and MSN and have found only a couple of you who seem to be happy with your new implant and have had little complications.
How many of you are there that use this board, and if you exist why is it that only TWO of you have posted pictures of you after the implant.
People consider PE for several reasons and there is no right or wrong,..... but if you can give some support/share your success stories and or photos ...... wouldn't you feel great? i mean is that not what we are here for?
My ERECT Stats are: 6in. Length, 5 In. girth at base, 4.5 mid-shaft, and 4 behind the glans.
Thanks for your help guys. Thanks for your help guys.
In my opinion the worst possible way to research PE surgery is to go looking for success stories. One thing I've had in common with virtually every other guy I've come across who has had, or who wants to have, PE surgery, is that we try to ignore the negative evidence, as we want to believe our dream of having a bigger penis will come true. Hence we do things like look for success stories and try and convince ourselves there were specific reasons for the bothced surgeries that wont apply to us.
Great response. I agree with you to a certain extent. To be honest I was at MNS and all i could read were praises for Dr. E and that might all be true, I went to Thunders board and read that half of those accounts were made up. Then I come here and most i read negative things about Dr. E (from people who are real and not made up)....... My point is, and maybe i was not very clear, that I would like to know of some REAL success stories regarding Dr. E.
I know that one persons success story does not mean that I too will have the same result. I would like to know what the doctor is capable of doing......... I mean if he has had complications (and i have read about them) I have researched that. Now I would like to know about his "real" successes and see if those patients did something different, not stitch the implant at the glans, or whatever else that could have resulted in them having a little more success and far less complications than the next guy.
I hope this makes sense to some of you or all of you.
Glad you're here and congratulations for researching and gathering as much info as possible before jumping into anything!
My posts explaining why the implant is generally a bad idea were removed from the other site and I was ultimately banned.
Its probably important to indicate that I did NOT have surgery w/Elist but have a fair degree of scientific background (not claiming to be an expert), to have concluded that it is very UNsafe and has a very poor success rate.
I have not seen testimonies of men who are years out from the surgery...eg, 4, 5 years. IF these gentlemen exist among us, they should make there presence known!
I know of two guys in particular, Stalemango and mark...who, to my knowledge are the greatest success stories-you may wish to chat w/them privately. Their results from an aesthetic point of view are quite good, however, the efficacy of the procedure itself remains very questionable to say the least.
When researching cosmetic phalloplasty, i looked at all the doctors sites of course. The first red flag for me was the fact that the info men were reporting was VERY inconsistent, contrary infact, to the claims made on Elists site...such as recovery time/pain associated w/the procedure, satisfaction rate.
Having read so much about this (and having personally spoken to him) I couldn't help but arrive at the conclusion that he was deliberately withholding critical information from unsuspecting patients.
When it comes to medical ethic, Elist violates Cardinal Rule.
Finally, it may be of interest to know that approx. 12 years ago, Dr Reed in Miami was using silicone stiprs for a period of time (verifiable on his site), Reed states on his site that his "desisted" due to an unacceptable complication rate...perforation/infection. (At least he is honest enough to say that he did something and changed it b/c it wasn't working)!
Hi Large-One, I was one of the lucky ones and I know of ten others that are either satisfied or mostly satisfied with their implant, and also four other possible's. At least since the last I've heard from these guys that is. The only reason I have this stat is because after reading your post I started to wonder myself .....and decided to look back at all my saved PM's from this site and from MNS and wrote them down, so yes.... I could name them. I'm not counting guys that just had one or two posts either. These are either very believable accounts, or I personally had PM contact with them. Now before I get shit for being a shill for Elist, I just want to say that I know there are a LOT of guys who've had trouble with the implant, too many! and even though I really like it, the sex is awesome with it! I can't say for sure if I would do it over again, knowing what I know now. I didn't really do any research before I had the surg. and just happen to "google" Elist implant" afterwards and found the MNS site. So I am neither pro or anti- Elist. I just think that guys should know ALL the info possible .... bad AND good! One thing I think we all can agree on is that Elist is not up front about the stats, mainly-complication rates, when he's selling his implant to someone, and that is not cool. I wish we could all know exactly what those rates are! I'm sure he does know. All I can say is that if you, or anyone else, is thinking about getting it, just try to find out all the info that you possibly can about it and all the other options as well, before making a decision. (which is what you are doing) take care
Last Edit: Feb 5, 2011 17:11:15 GMT -5 by marknmau
thier are some real people on this forum that have had success with the Elist implant. but also there is maybe double the amount of bad experiences than good. i compare the elist implant to the lottery. very low risk of winning ie no complications or penis retraction.
new1inch: you say "there are probably double who have had bad experiences with it" ...... I'm not sure I've heard of 20 -30 guys say they've had complications, although if you count how many guys write about how horrible it is, even though they haven't personally had it done, you might get those kind of numbers. The main problem is, that we honestly don't know the numbers! I'm willing to bet there are a lot more guys who've had it, that never reach out or seek these forums, just because they haven't had issues. One guy who had sucess that I talked to said he never comes on the site ( the old MNS) because he heard so much negative talk and just didn't want to see it anymore, anyway, he told me he had talked to a many other guys who felt the same.....he seemed like an honest guy, but of course..... I don't know it's fact...... shit I've felt that way a few times, but I come back because I feel it;s the right thing to do, so guys know that "yes" there are some successful outcomes with this thing...... and it has nothing to with getting business for Elist! I could give a shit if he gets rich or not! but some guys are desparate and even if the chances are 50/50 they might want size so badly, that they're willing to do it. Like I said, the problem is that we really DON'T KNOW the numbers! and that sucks! because Elist probably does, but even if the success rate was 80 or even 90 percent good..... he probably wouldn't want that to be known, but for all we know, because not ALL guys are on these forums..... it could be 80 or 90 percent. and I don't blame you for thinking that twice as many guys have bad outcomes...... shit ....it seems that way! reading this site, and it also would on MNS...... if the bastards didn't cull out the negative posts on Elist... but I personally think the numbers just might be better that we think, the sad thing is we will probably never know, which is a horrible disservice to any guy trying to decide whether to get it or not. BTW- I don't want to seem confrontational at all ....... and who knows I could be all wrong, I simply want whats closest to the truth to be gotten from this wonderful, recourceful site. and thanks so much to Skeptical One!
This is a good thread to have and I hope you get lots of input. I am a Dr. Elist patient - got the implant 2.5 months ago. I think it is too early to say I am a success story. I can tell you to date I have not had the problems or complications that others have. While my recovery hasn't been pain free, it has been very tolerable and I returned to a normal routine relatively quickly.
Any method any of us take to gain cosmetic improvements of any kind come with risk. There is no risk free method. I was like Marknmau and googled and decided. I didn't do nearly the research I should have. This board really has opened my eyes as to what can go wrong. Each person has to consider that carefully before arriving at their own decision. I hope this thread gets the traffic it deserves and helps others with their decisions.
However, it would also not be fair to think that these boards contain most surgery patients. The way I look at it, if any method was not safe, sooner or later word of mouth would catch up and the doctor selling it would go away or be sued out of business. I am sure that has already happened. I bet many on this board could name a few. Maybe these boards have detered potential Elist patients and he is losing customers? Maybe not.
I guess my best advice is to do what you are doing, which is to ask for information. Then make the call that is best for you. To some I may be "lucky". I don't see it that way. I did some research (though I will admit not nearly what I should have) and then when I met with Dr. Elist in person I had a pretty good set of questions ready and made sure I got them all answered. And, most importantly I checked out the implant material and was satisfied with it too. After all of this, I took the risk and will now live with that decision. Like I said earlier, so far it is working out well for me. But again, too early to make a call. I would say after 6-9 months I may be able to say whether it was a success or not.
Hope this input helps and spurs more comments on this thread. I wish you the best of luck no matter what method you eventually select, or if you don't do anything at all.
Post by Skeptical One on Feb 5, 2011 22:09:02 GMT -5
I think we have to take the "numbers of reporting Elist patients," (or any other procedure) into perspective. In a separate thread, a convo between me and dog discussed the validity of citing a complication rate. I told him that it was technically in violation of forum rules to assert a complication rate as fact because he has nothing "that would back it up in a court of law," but rather a small sample size of a few. If one has actual medical/research papers indicating real numbers, by all means post them.
On the other hand, it is perfectly valid to say "50% of people I have spoken to" report complications, rather than implicating all people who have gotten the procedure. If that makes any sense?
I also think Mark is onto something I've expressed on MNS in the past. I have always felt that the bulk of patients who are successful have little incentive to show up on these boards after surgery (if they didn't find it before). Most consider this a personal, intimate matter, and if they feel as if they achieved success with the surgery, they feel more inclined to move on with their life. Fortunately, there are a few success stories who have decided to blog about it (Mark, Ck, Stalemango, maybe regularguy ??). -- and with this being said... the odds of someone finding this site due to complications from surgery are much higher. The need for an anonymous outlet is much more significant. "In theory," there should always be an imbalance of botched procedures-to-successful procedures on a given forum. This can distort the perception of how many people have had issues and how many have had success.
And also, if it isn't right that Dr. Elist states a 1% complication rate w/out evidence, its equally unfair if we state a 70% complication rate without evidence (unless of course we are referring to 70% of a sample size, which we must clarify...and no sample size has been large enough that I have seen to make it a valid statistic).
What we can assert is the warning associated with the Elist implant. As admin of this site I have no issues endorsing a "warning" for certain methods that have fundamental flaws in methodology and/or repeated reports of complication (regardless of the grander complication statistic) - if supported by general consensus.
thanks for the knowledge skepticalone and mark. im not sayin fact, just by what i read. and it scares the hell out of me..lol but i kinda makes since. i work for a large retail company that sells gadgets you dont need(wink) anyway its millions of people that love our store but online you only see bad reviews, so if someone looks up the store they would think its a shit-hole because a few disgrunted customers, which would be far from the truth if they came to seek it out themselves. you gus make absolute since..
Unclejj, with all due respect, it isn't fair to continuously login to this forum, tout the graciousness of Dr. Elist and the success of your implant with little to no information. We're all in this together, and it is the free flow of information that betters all of us as decision makers. I hope you get a chance and really fill us in. Thanks.
I’m so glad for creating this thread. Thank you guys for writing about your experiences I will comment more a little later.
Skeptical One, I agree with you. I don't mean to gang up on you Uncle, but I have read numerous threads where you have commented and supported guys both here and at the other site. However, when it comes to your own story you seem to be so tight lipped. If you think about it, you read several threads and came to the decision of going with Dr. Elist....... Do you not think you should return the favour by telling other about your experience so they too can arrive at a reasonable decision? Post some pic... something.
Whatever i decide to go with, Dr. E or PMMA, I will document on a daily basis, take pictures the day after the surgery and post it and show the progress, everyone’s healing process is different but it doesn’t hurt to share info cause even to this point we don’t know (with the exception of one) what an erect penis with the Dr. E's implant looks like. I think Mark is the only one who shared.
As Skeptical One said we're in this together, and if you feel that you are too shy to share or just don’t want to ....... then quite frankly you should not long on and benefit from other peoples experience either! (This last comment is not directed at anyone in particular, just in general)
I can’t stand these inflated numbers against Dr Elist, as far as I am concerned he is the only Dr out there that knows what he is doing. You guys that are talking crap about his surgery have never even had it, how the hell can you sit here and make accusations and talk about how bad it is!!! Your getting your information from the wrong place, I strongly encourage you to call the Dr himself, (he won’t charge you like most other doctors) go in and have a consultation, ask him all the questions you are asking on here. Then you are getting the answers directly from the source. I have talked to every Dr out there, I have met several of them as well. I can tell you that Dr Elist is by far the most professional, honest, caring Dr out there. Please read my new thread that outlines my experience. I am new on this site but I will be on everyday from this point if I have to, I am incredibly grateful for what the Dr has done for me. You guys need to get the facts before you make your decisions.
justpitchingin: Anyways.. I have had the Elist procedure.. only 14 weeks post-op.. So far so good.. But be warned the girth is actually something that may not be appreciated as it may be a bit much for folks that are not into girth..
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happy: guys that had Elist surgery recently and are recovering and all is well...I'd like to communicate with guys that had the surgery within the last year so I can gauge my progress
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hunkchunk: Hi Skeptical One, I hope this posting reaches you. You're aware that the new forum is down and I thought maybe you could post here if this one will be revived or if another hosting platform is forthcoming. Thanks and see you in the threads ! Hunk Chunk
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naginati: Hunkchunk! I started a reddit group, search for phalloboards. It's a way to communicate at least.
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P.S. Reklaw, if you read this, please PM me or send me email, you know my email adress.
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