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Post by jasonbond on Dec 24, 2010 10:45:23 GMT -5
Hello I have read the forums everyone seems to be getting alloderm and length procedure together. Is there anyone who got the girth procedure done alone? If so did it cause length loss? How much girth did you gain? any pics? Thanks
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Post by hoddle10 on Dec 24, 2010 15:16:37 GMT -5
the alloderm/belladerm causes length loss regardless. The extra girth causes the penis to lose length as the skin cant stretch outward and I also think its possible the graft shrinks. I don't know if that is ture. I've only heard Rosnethal say that and despite being a good Dr, he seems to be full of shit. Inside a pump cylinder, guys often increase their girth by over 2". You could buy a pump tomorrow, pump at 10hg for 30 mins and you'll see a huge increase (don't do this as it's not safe to pump for long periods at such a high pressure). How can the skin stretch for that, yet be so resistant to accomadating a few mm of alloderm? And why doesn't the skin have problems stretching when large amounts of FFT are injected? I don't think Rosenthal has a clue what he's talking about. Often people loose length after lengthening only surgery. In the case of alloderm I think it's because the grafts are harder to stretch than normal tissue. Also there is the possibility of fibrosis.
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Post by mustang2020 on Dec 24, 2010 20:51:06 GMT -5
I think the penile skin can stretch quite a bit in both directions, girth and length. I used a pump before my implant and I have plenty of skin in both directions, yet I lost over an inch of erect length.
It seems that there is enough info on this site and the other site that Belladerm is causing loss of length.
I talked to Dr. R about two months ago and when I really questioned him about length increase due to lig cut/Belladerm he was very vague about it and I concluded that he does believe that most people will not gain any length and most may also loose some. There are the very very few patients who gain length, but they are the few and the norm seems to be loss of length with most surgeries out there...This is just my opinion, not a scientific fact.
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Post by mustang2020 on Dec 26, 2010 18:41:45 GMT -5
I got the implant and of course the Dr. assured me I will NOT loose any length just like the other Dr. do, but I still did and with the implant it is impossible to use any stretch devices even thu it seems that these devices may not be effective for all patients.
I almost decided to remove it and go with Belladerm, but I was following your progress and Soldier77's and so far there is also loss of erect length even with a lig cut (BTW, I did not have a lig cut).
One basically signs one's life away b4 the op, that is why these Dr's get away with murder some times....
I hope we all get our original erect length back.
I am seeing a very small amount of length coming back, but it is so small it can be measuring error or a bit of loss of weight!!!!
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Post by idm on Dec 26, 2010 21:36:22 GMT -5
Hi Mustang-
Hope you had a good holiday.
I'm sorry you and other are dealing w/loss of length after ENLARGEMENT surgery-truly a paradox and something that would anger and frustrate the best of us.
Though the admin has the right to remove my post, I need to express what I'm about to say b/c it needs to be said and viewed, if even for a brief time.
Most of the doctors currently performing pe surgery (w/ a select few that I can count on one hand) are really not that bright. Its a specialty which has yet to be accepted by the profession, the standards have yet to be established unfortunately b/c there's been insufficient expert attention/research given to this area. This is not very different from the early days of gender "re-assignment surgery", which was taboo in the late 60's early 70's and later gained legitimacy by the profession. Due to the lack of standardization in surgical approach, lack of regulation and high potential for profit, some are drawn to this boutique practice for the wrong reasons and an overwhelming majority of the doctors in this narrow field, I've come to the conclusion are not qualified to be performing these surgeries!
Most of these doctors are banging through surgeries- (I know most of them, and I've been on this seen too long actually). INSUFFICIENT pre-op evaluation of the patient, and rushing through surgerie$ is a formula for disaster.
Keep in mind in most cases, the silicone, bello/alloderm are for GIRTH enhancement and these newbie doctors don't have the experience to perform these surgeries successfully, that is: give you girth while maintaining your length.
For those who have chosen the silicone prosthetic and have experienced post op shortening, I'd bet MY LIFE, its b/c the implant was too large(in girth) for your anatomy and that is providing the implant installed was sufficient in length.
Rather than having a dr who's objective is to provide you w/one of the worlds fattest cocks as quickly as possible, he'd better serve YOU, THE PATIENT by spending more time providing a thorough evaluation and fit you w/the prosthetic that will be the best fit and minimize any additional, potential risks.
Belloderm, is softer than alloderm-if a graft of insufficient length in implanted, as the graft develops ingrowth of new tissue, shrinkage will occur. A doctors using this softer material must have enough experience to approximate the size of the graft length wise, allowing for some contracture in a way that will NOT shorten the penis.
Alloderm-similar situation, however, its a stiffer material. I believe its part of the reason why success rates (based on feed back from recipients on the various forums) seems to be higher. I believe the graft being stiffer, prevents retraction during the ingrowth period, thus the penis is less apt to "shorten" once settling has occurred.
I'm sick/tired of hearing stories of guys having trouble w/these procedures, often w/the same doctors! If any of you are close to these "doctors", feel free to educate them by passing this info along b/c they either don't know, or even worse- dont care about what they're doing!
I'll consider it a good will gesture and "waive the consult fee"!
Idm
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Post by lastime on Dec 27, 2010 3:41:35 GMT -5
Totally man. If you think about it, we are going in for a life changing procedure. A surgery to build a larger cock, and the doctors are not even asking to take exact measurements of our erect penisis, or take a mold. If you think about it, all surgeries to enhance girth are very sub par. All of the offerings are fit only half way around the cock, to avoid compressing the urethra. That means that the implant or tissue can be palpated or felt due to the inconsistency of the graft vs the real penis. Plus the overlap or gap of the penis shaft vs glans transition. Like dr alter says, there is nothing good for girth at this time.
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