Post by Skeptical One on Jun 28, 2011 12:19:07 GMT -5
I think we're rushing into a presumption that Artefill is the best option out there. I'd ask Wade/Dr. C to explain why they prefer the use of New Plastic over other options (i.e. Metracill). I don't believe any study has been able to say definitively that one brand is superior to another, at least not that I've seen/read.
Post by Skeptical One on Jun 28, 2011 9:53:07 GMT -5
Thanks for everyone's patience! As you all (may) know, the website is not 100% complete, but is at a point that should be functional for basic use. I would have waited till the site was a bit more refined but we've had one too many postponements.
The URL is: phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com
The above link is the new forum, all new and current members need to relocate to this site to continue the dialog
This URL first goes to our front page which acts as a sort of disclaimer site. It is temporary until we get a much more improved design to replace it. At the bottom there is a link to enter the forum.
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If you already have a username here, please register at the new site with the same exact username, especially if you have 10 or more posts on this forum.
I'm having issues with the site prompting you to complete registration by checking your email, so I'm telling you here that you must do this. You must check your email after registration and click the link which will complete the registration process.
The forum rules are almost identical to the ones found here, so even though you can post pictures again, keep in mind we are not to be posting anything crude, lewd, or distasteful.
Though not required, but recommended: If you already have a progress report on this site, feel free to use the same name of your thread but add a following: [PART 2] next to it. Then open your first post with a link back to your original thread found here.
The new forum is utilizing software and it is not free. With that being said, if there are any issues (slowness, errors, etc), please report them all to the Feedback Forum on the new site so that I can address them accordingly.
After injection and excision of PMMA over the conchal cartilage in 21 patients, microsphere phagocytosis was found, which brings into question its permanence. Based on our data, the possibility of migration exists, but further studies are necessary to fully assess the implications of our results.
Interesting, does that suggest that the bottom range for New Plastic particles dip below 35 microns? I understand 40 is the average quoted for New Plastic (which should prevent phagocytosis), but it appears, according to this article, that such risks are prevalent with smaller beads (below 35 microns ??).
I'd definitely like to get Dr. C's take on this since he uses the product quite frequently. Their office reports no migration issues so I wonder what it is about their approach or application that might alleviate or eliminate the risks suggested in the above article.
The girl I dated was tiny, 5ft tall ! She also told me that out of the 15 men, 2 had been exceptionally large which she said she wasn't keen on. However she went on to say she had had a very passionate relationship with one of those guys.
But I agree 5ins may be satisfactory......but we want to be more than just satisfactory !
Haha, yes it seems that above average is always the goal.
I should mention that I don't think height has a definitive correlation with vaginal size (perhaps generally, but not definitively). I remember this discussion going in depth at some Thunderplace Thread lol.
I don't believe that 70% of men are under 5ins girth. I used to be 4.7ins and a girl I dated who had slept with 15 men told me I was one of the smallest, when I asked her to elaborate she told me it was the girth. I don't believe she was lying. I'm now 5.1ins and slept with a fillipino girl a year ago who made it perfectly clear I was on the small side. If 70% of men are below 5ins what does that make the average, 4. something. Simply can't see it myself.
Mike, keep in mind there is also a percentage of women with larger than average vaginas... because quite frankly 5" EG should be quite satisfactory...
Would you mind detailing the correspondences with the doctors you spoke to regarding PMMA, its efficacy, and its safety record? Thanks.
Obviously Artefill has been used in the States, what I was trying to say was that it has not been used broadly due in part to costs, and in part to misinformation. If there are some who have access to Artefill at significantly reduced costs, that is news to me.
The point isn't whether contacting competent doctors is in order, the point is that those who are clearly void of the (appropriate) details concerning PMMA are most inclined to speak out. Or so it seems.
Post by Skeptical One on Jun 27, 2011 9:44:22 GMT -5
On a side note,
Can't wait to launch the new forum, while it is mostly a ghost town right now, I have one particular member putting together what I think is the BEST Progress Report I've ever reviewed! I actually find it quite entertaining.
I also hope to migrate Messageman's Thread, which in my opinion is the best "Personal Experience" Thread ever!
Post by Skeptical One on Jun 27, 2011 9:14:35 GMT -5
It wasn't just granuloma formation, it was skin necrosis, and infection - all of which (including granulomas as you stated) have not been addressed at all. Not once. Just because they express these conditions as concerns, does not mean they have actually explained why or how they are concerns.
As for penis usage, I believe we must keep in mind the bulk of their contentions are in the context of facial fillers.
The same doctors who perform cosmetic procedures (with known risks) have chosen to speak up about something they simply don't understand. Let's face it, many of these doctors are very ignorant on the subject matter of PMMA and simply repeat (like a parrot) all of the bad things that have been traditionally associated with PMMA fillers with little to no actual medical/scientific explanation (i.e. physiological, pathological, etc). A wise doctor would concede he or she does not have all the pertinent info regarding the topic and should provide a cautionary warning... but instead many of these plastic-surgery-forum doctors, it is nothing more than a protection of their bottom-line and a promotion of their own brand!
Do a search on PMMA on those sites where doctors respond to prospective clients, I think it will make you appreciate my position a little bit more.
I would take these legitimate issues more seriously if these doctors could provide substantial arguments to warrant serious concern outside of sounding like a broken record.
The legitimate concerns they speak of: 1. Granuloma Formation - General consensus of the articles listed in this forum strongly suggest granuloma formation has a low occurrence. 2. Difficult Removal - It is permanent and at the micro-level, if one has an issue with this, one should not undergo the procedure.
As with all things Phalloplasty, there are risks one must assume. If near-permanency is a major issue for anyone, I'd strongly recommend scratching this method off the list immediately, because it is one aspect that will never change with refined & improve technique.
It is not so much that I mean to defend PMMA, but bring to light the mixed interests these PMMA opponents share.
I should have been a bit clearer. There are some (doctors) who have ventured to elaborate on their anti-PMMA sentiments, but doing so in a descriptive, meaningful, and scientific way seems to be non-existent. Your link confirms this. While they may have their reservations with the product, they don't seem to offer one bit of information where I can go... "ah, well he raises a good point."
These doctors taking the conservative approach ay? More like willful ignorance! Sure there are risks of granuloma's in the face, but what about the risks of the methods those doctors in particular use? The risks of breast augmentation? Even the risks of temporary fillers that cause problems before they actually dissipate? And many of them on these plastic surgery forums tend to follow up their PMMA scare-campaign with a suggestion that their alternative method is worth looking into, and leave their contact info # 555-555-5555... give me a break.
There is a glaring absence of an actual medical/scientific explanation for there concerns... the kind that analyzes or describes the mechanism by which the PMMA creates complications when administered by the hands of a skilled practitioner using a high quality brand. Whereas when I look up for medical/scientific grounds for why PMMA is effective, I actually learn about what takes place and why.
PMMA is by no means a proven product for the penis, even when the science suggests it has potential. Only time & the pioneers will tell. However, in the meantime I'd like for us to learn as many PROS & CONS as possible so that all future members can make the most sound decision on this matter. But I really can't stand profit-oriented docs who wish to say things like "don't be stupid and ruin your life," as a response to a serious PMMA inquiry. In other words, there is hardly any substance from those who object to PMMA, just concerns only applicable to poor skill and/or poor grade PMMA.
Lets work with the facts, lets point out what could be problematic when everything else is performed correctly. I'm just not seeing that from these docs. dd72s recent correspondences continue to demonstrate and reaffirm the obvious.
justpitchingin: Anyways.. I have had the Elist procedure.. only 14 weeks post-op.. So far so good.. But be warned the girth is actually something that may not be appreciated as it may be a bit much for folks that are not into girth..
Mar 18, 2017 1:33:43 GMT -5
happy: guys that had Elist surgery recently and are recovering and all is well...I'd like to communicate with guys that had the surgery within the last year so I can gauge my progress
Mar 27, 2017 19:52:32 GMT -5
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localyokel: looking for source of papaverine without needing RX...
May 7, 2017 12:42:05 GMT -5
naginati: What happenedover atphallobaords 2? It's disabled, someone get in touch with Skeptical one!
Oct 1, 2017 15:45:49 GMT -5
hunkchunk: Hi Skeptical One, I hope this posting reaches you. You're aware that the new forum is down and I thought maybe you could post here if this one will be revived or if another hosting platform is forthcoming. Thanks and see you in the threads ! Hunk Chunk
Oct 4, 2017 1:44:58 GMT -5
naginati: Hunkchunk! I started a reddit group, search for phalloboards. It's a way to communicate at least.
Oct 5, 2017 6:21:45 GMT -5
growing: Why I cannot post any new topics?
Oct 5, 2017 17:19:58 GMT -5
hacid: Why can't I post on this forum??
Oct 11, 2017 12:19:54 GMT -5
sxybst: yes, what the heck happened?
Oct 20, 2017 14:24:22 GMT -5
herbertwest: Hi everyone! I'm also wondering, what's happened with site? Guys, please, write your emails to SO or Hoddle10, we need to return the forum.
P.S. Reklaw, if you read this, please PM me or send me email, you know my email adress.
Oct 23, 2017 13:50:58 GMT -5
sydshow: I emailed the host two weeks ago, no reply! Was hoping it would have come back by now.. anyone?
Oct 23, 2017 16:57:39 GMT -5
thecolemateo: Uhhh where did this site go?
Nov 10, 2017 15:57:07 GMT -5
champ101: Dr Colin Moore is a butcher, NEVER allow him anywhere near your penis. His work is VERY bad and his fees are far in excess of others who complete these surgeries much better. He could not care less about his patients, his work is VERY bad.
Mar 8, 2018 9:11:56 GMT -5