dd72
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Post by dd72 on Jun 16, 2011 22:36:06 GMT -5
sheldon funny thing is I just came off a cycle of testosterone and my penis and testicles look and feel alot smaller. I mentioned this to my buddy who is a steroid freak and he mentioned that I NEEDED to take HCG to get size/sex drive back up to par. Very interesting indeed.
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 16, 2011 23:14:41 GMT -5
When you take steroids, your body stops making its own and hence your balls shrink and your sex drive go down.
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 17, 2011 1:04:28 GMT -5
Hi,
I'm new to the game but did my homework before my current regimen of steroid precursers which are themselves hormone precursors. It is true that by taking an oral substitute natural hormone production by your body slows down and can even temporarily stop. However from what I've understood it isn't that stopping testosterone shrinks your testes but the fact that your body contains a regulatory signal due to the prior presence of high levels of testosterone making it instead produce estrogen which is the female hormone which causes shrinkage and can also lead to gynecomastia (the dreaded bodybuilder man boobs). To avoid such an incidence one must take after cycle either an estrogen inhibitor or an estrogen suicide signal, I will use Formadrol which combines both. This could probably be also used once you stop treatment with Pregnyl to avoid similar issues.
HC
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 17, 2011 1:15:37 GMT -5
sheldonHere is a link to the wikipedia article about the active agent in Pregnyl: "Like other gonadotropins, hCG can be extracted from urine or by genetic modification. Pregnyl, Follutein, Profasi, Choragon and Novarel use the former method, derived from the urine of pregnant women. Ovidrel, on the other hand, is a product of recombinant DNA. hCG is produced from the syncytiotrophoblast cell layer."Human chorionic gonadotropinHere's translated what I was able to learn about Pregnyl: "Pregnyl contains human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), a hormone extracted from the urine of pregnant women and which is part of the gonadotrophin group. These are important hormones for male and female reproduction. In the body hCG exerts an effect which is comparable to that of the lutenizing hormone (LH) which is synthesized by both sexes. LH in association with another hormone called follicle stimulant hormone (FSH) is necessary to the growth and development of ovules (follicles) in women, and to the production of spermatozoids in men and the synthesis of sexual hormones in both sexes. If the organism doesn't secrete sufficient amounts of FSH and LH, fertility problems can ensue."
"In men: One administers Pregnyl when the testicles are insufficiently developed or when they form sperm insufficiently; in this case, one associates Pregnyl most often with hMG or FSH."
"Pregnyl is only efficient in injection. It is injected either into a muscle or under the skin. The doctor should determine the way of administering this medication as well as the dosage and duration of the treatment. Men receive - according to the nature of the problem being treated - one injection several times per week during several weeks or months. The following dosages are only to be viewed as indicative."
"In men for insufficient functioning of the sexual glands (insufficient testicular development): generally, one injects 1000 to 2000 I.U. of Pregnyl 2 to 3 times per week, by intramuscular or subcutaneous injection for at least 3 months, until one has obtained the desired effect. The doctor evaluates sperm production one a month, by means of a spermatogram. If the number of sperm doesn't increase the doctor can decide to prolong the treatment 3 more months, by administering in addition to Pregnyl another similar hormone (hMG ou FSH) 3 times per week in an adequate dose."
"Insufficient development of spermatazoids: The doctor has several options for treatment. In general, one injects during 3 months 1000 to 2000 I.U. of Pregnyl 2 to 3 times per week and 75 U.I. de hMG or FSH every day or 2 to 3 times per week. The doctor evaluates once a month the effectiveness of the treatment by spermatogram."
"Delayed puberty: In general, one uses 1500 I.U. 2 to 3 times per week during 3 to 6months."
"Preparation of the injectable solution: One dissolves the injectable powder (which contains the active agent) with the solvent contained in the vial, by gently stirring. One must not shake the solution and it must be used immediately after reconstitution. If the reconstituted solution contains suspended particles or isn't limpid, it must not be used. One must dispose of any unused solution immediately."
"Subcutaneous administration: In men, the Pregnyl treatment lasts several weeks to months, unlike with women. This is why with men subcutaneous administration is the method of choice because it can be done by the patient himself or by his partner. Carefully clean the skin with a disinfectant. Then make a crease in the skin between the thumb and the index to prick the needle diagonally (at a 45 degree angle) under the skin, all the way into the skin fold. When one uses plastic syringes with a fixed needle, one can also prick the needle perpendicularly to the skin. Then hold the syringe in this position and retract the piston backwards in order to verify that the needle did not injure a blood vessel. If no blood enters one can perform the injection. If on the other hand there is blood, one must remove the needle partially or all the way and put it in at another angle. The injection locations are as follow: the external sides of the arms, the front and external sides of the thighs, the buttocks and belly, excluding the beltline and umbilical regions. One must not constantly change injection regions given that resorption of the active agent in the human body is variable accroding to regions, due to differences in density of subcutaneous blood vessels. One must however regularly change injection spots within a given region, without more than one injection per month in the same spot."
"The active agent in this product is extracted from human urine, originating country Holland. One glass vial of Pregnyl contains either 500 International Units (I.U.), or 1500 I.U.., or 5000 I.U. of human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) which is sterile and dehydrated (active agent) as well as the following excipients: mannitol, sodic carboxymethylcellulose and sodium phosphate. 1 vial of solvant contains sodium chloride and water for injectable preparations. Pregnyl is sold in pharmacies upon medical prescription."
Pregnyl 500 I.U.: Box of 10 vials. Pregnyl 1500 I.U.: Box of 10 vials. Pregnyl 5000 I.U.: Box of 3 vials."Sex Hormones (in French)So this really does look like Human chorionic gonadotropin might be the "Killer substance" for chemical leveraging of sexual dynamics including penile growth, of course requiring equally rigorous medical monitoring and blood analyses to ensure that no unforeseen consequences may occur. It might be best done through the supervision of an endocrinologist. HC
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Post by sheldon on Jun 17, 2011 21:45:36 GMT -5
@hc, Thanks for the info!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 23, 2011 3:24:11 GMT -5
sheldonHere's an update about my quest for Pregnyl. I have booked an appointment with my general practitioner given the endoncrinologist wants to wait until mid September before testing my blood levels for hormones. She also wanted me to do a testicle x-ray and mammography for possible cancers first. Sure that is a good precaution, but maybe a bit excessive? Here's some more info I found about Pregnyl which is in fact a brand name for Gonadotropin, a hormone found in the placenta of pregnant women helping a fetus develop: CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN (Systemic)
Some commonly used brand names are:
Chorex Novarel Pregnyl Profasi Profasi HP Generic name product may be available in the U.S. and Canada. Another commonly used name is human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) .
"For boys only:
Acne; enlargement of penis and testes; growth of pubic hair; increase in height (rapid)"[/i] Click for SourceHC
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 25, 2011 5:32:22 GMT -5
I saw my doctor and he said that he can prescribe Pregnyl once I return with those test results, meaning I won't need to wait until September for the good will of that expensive endocrinologist. I am getting the mammography and testicle echography (my bad, it wasn't an x-ray fortunately) as well as a prostate test next week and should have my prescription by the end of the week to start Pregnyl gonadotropin injections which are reputed to make the penis of adolescents grow. I am very far from adolescence, but hopefully an estrogen surge during my youth stilted my growth which might miraculously reboot? One can always dream...
HC
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Post by sparticus on Jun 25, 2011 13:01:05 GMT -5
Given that Dr. Santos was recently charged with murder, I find these claims even more difficult to believe.
What evidence is supporting Dr. Santos's claims? How extensive was the documentation, are there progress pictures? How did Guinness verify these claims?
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 25, 2011 13:23:48 GMT -5
I agree with Sparticus,
The Doctor's criminal acts put a serious doubt & damper on his methods. I would tread with caution when using any of the listed aspects of obtaining length in this respect.
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 25, 2011 17:32:18 GMT -5
I agree with what you're saying. I am not counting on Pregnyl so much as a booster of length or girth growth, though I sure wouldn't complain, but because it is prescribed to enhance libido of men who have lower libido than when in their twenties. I used to go all night long almost without a break, getting hard again within minutes after each episode. Things aren't quite what they were when I was in my twenties, so I'm needing a "booster shot" which if it also enhances growth is cool. It will be after medical inspection of my testes and prostate, so I will be safe. I'll of course report back on any changes this makes.
HC
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Post by sheldon on Jun 25, 2011 22:47:45 GMT -5
sheldon funny thing is I just came off a cycle of testosterone and my penis and testicles look and feel alot smaller. I mentioned this to my buddy who is a steroid freak and he mentioned that I NEEDED to take HCG to get size/sex drive back up to par. Very interesting indeed. Interesting indeed...thanks for the compliment.
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Post by sheldon on Jun 25, 2011 23:03:57 GMT -5
sheldonHere's an update about my quest for Pregnyl. I have booked an appointment with my general practitioner given the endoncrinologist wants to wait until mid September before testing my blood levels for hormones. She also wanted me to do a testicle x-ray and mammography for possible cancers first. Sure that is a good precaution, but maybe a bit excessive? Here's some more info I found about Pregnyl which is in fact a brand name for Gonadotropin, a hormone found in the placenta of pregnant women helping a fetus develop: CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN (Systemic)
Some commonly used brand names are:
Chorex Novarel Pregnyl Profasi Profasi HP Generic name product may be available in the U.S. and Canada. Another commonly used name is human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) .
"For boys only:
Acne; enlargement of penis and testes; growth of pubic hair; increase in height (rapid)" [/i] Click for SourceHC[/quote] HC, I really appreciate your informing the forum of your upcoming/possible use of Pregnyl. If you do decide to to use it, I hope that it provides a positive growth impact on your PE - and please continue to update your progress here on the forum. It would be a shame if you used this and, got positive results, then decided to get 3-4 sessions of PMMA, and just PM'd a select few and then told them to keep silent about it and then finally tell those that you already PM'd that they could post your messages about your PE journey on the forum and then once you were satisfied with your results, 'retire' from the forum. Of course, you owe no one an explanation/obligation, but I think everyone here appreciates all your research on PE that you posted here on the forum, and your future updates of your PE journey.
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 26, 2011 0:26:51 GMT -5
sheldonI had a hard time seeing what you were getting at in your last message. First, I am committed to contributing here, the folks here helped me tremendously in coping with a lifelong issue which I never dared speak about to anyone. That's a heavy burden most of us carry and sharing one's concerns with others in similar situations is a very important part of this board. Secondly, I do realize that it is important to contribute as methodically as possible about the potential merits of each separate therapy or treatment one can pursue for PE and to keep them as isolated from one another as possible so that conclusions can be made. However I've stated before I'm under a self-imposed time pressure which prompts me to rush about trying everything under the sun to hopefully be in better "shape" in a month and a half. So I am already a very bad candidate as a test subject from which any tangible conclusions can be drawn. I have not wanted to do manual PE for various reasons, the least not being avoiding twisting and tugging on my poor valiant member. But in the past month I have been taking DHEA, Methyl 1-D testosterone booster, a bit of dreadful (it makes me want to heave) MMv3 test booster, liquid and pill form human growth complex, ginko biloba, etc. One thing which did have a marginal effect which seems to be lasting is the DHT cream called Andractim that I've been applying locally and which did nothing for length but did give what some at PE Gym call "roots" meaning that the base of the shaft got a bit larger like a tree stump tapering out to its roots. The girth of the rest of the shaft is very slightly larger. I've however been using this cream less because I am worried that when I have sex it rubs off on her and I cannot know what strange effects DHT might have - will she grow a 3" long clit? I will continue more thoroughly in July once alone and using DMSO to make it penetrate deeper and possibly help spur length gains? One can always dream. Regarding Pregnly and PMMA, I hope that my doctor does prescribe the Pregnly this week so that I can inject what I'd think is enough, namely 1500 IUs twice a week intramuscularly. I'd be giving myself the shots, it isn't an easy task for sure as I've had to do it before. But we'll pay any price just for a ray of hope. I cannot however know whether any results would come of it, so I'll be nonetheless also having a first session of PMMA. If i notice some form of response from the Pregnyl in terms of size, I may ask Dr C for just a first session of 10% PMMA. If not it will be the regular 20% to ensure my honorable standing at that important time. I will post any observations I have here, and don't worry about my leaving because I'll not get there as easily or quicky as I hope, I owe others here in the community a great deal, for being able to cope with the psychological aspect and also to be up to the task of taking steps to address the issue. So I won't be keeping anything under wraps for any reason. Cheers, HC
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Post by sheldon on Jun 26, 2011 9:10:39 GMT -5
@hc,
Could you clarify your use of Pregnyl. First you are going to get your suspensory ligs cut, then while using a stretcher, you will be getting injections of Pregnyl at the same time. Is this your plans?
Thanks!
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dd72
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Post by dd72 on Jun 26, 2011 10:19:38 GMT -5
Anyone know where to get pregnyl without a prescription?
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