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Post by sheldon on Nov 1, 2010 12:01:43 GMT -5
Guys, What is your experience with autoextender? Are the products they sell any good?
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Post by sheldon on Nov 1, 2010 17:22:11 GMT -5
I saw this PE device here: autoextender.com/vacextender.htmland it looks similar to what is being used on one of the pictures on on the redesigned phallocare.com. Has anybody use this vacextender?
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Post by weakstick on Jan 30, 2011 12:43:45 GMT -5
Those products are getting good reviews over at the Thunder Place forums
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Post by olafspo on Feb 5, 2011 0:36:45 GMT -5
I have one, love it.
Good stetcher, not stealth though. I use the VacADS afterwards for ADS, it is undetectable.
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Post by viduka on Feb 15, 2011 10:54:45 GMT -5
I'm looking into buying one of these, and i saw that some others on this forum also thought about getting one. There a videos on youtube where they demonstrate the device, it looks good. I'm thinking that i am going to do a mix of ads and hanging, but i'll see.
Olafspo, what do you do most, hanging or using the extender?
Regards
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Post by biggerbob on Feb 15, 2011 11:13:53 GMT -5
Just ordered my VacADS. Should be here in a few days. I will see what it does and post. Seems the best option for being undetectable. I have an Andros stretcher, but I don't use it anymore as it has become pretty painful and have been unable to wear during the day due to work situation.
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Post by olafspo on Feb 15, 2011 11:18:18 GMT -5
I use the ADS most of the time because it is undetectable
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Post by biggerbob on Feb 15, 2011 11:24:26 GMT -5
Olafspo, your previous post about the ADS is what convinced me to go ahead and buy one. I appreciate your advice. Question though, what sleeve do you use most?
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 15, 2011 12:42:59 GMT -5
I heard nothing but good things about vacextender! But it's all about being comfortable and I heard this is that
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Post by sheldon on Feb 20, 2011 16:09:06 GMT -5
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Post by sheldon on Mar 21, 2011 13:45:13 GMT -5
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Post by sparticus on Mar 21, 2011 15:21:57 GMT -5
I'd be willing to use an extender if there was more evidence to support they worked. I've only seen two studies that may be legit, one is out of Iran and the other conducted at University of Turin in Italy. Those are only pilot studies with very little volunteers and they only measured flaccid stretched length not erect. I know they are correlated, but it was not examined whether they remain correlated after stretching. In fact, I believe the results from this study are considered controversial because stretching the flaccid penis 3 times before measuring the stretched flaccid length led to a temporary increase in the stretched flaccid length:
P. Bondil, P. Costa JP. Daures, et al. Clinical study of the longitudinal deformation of the flaccid penis and of its variations with aging. European Urology 21: 284–286, 1992.
As far as I know, there has been no study done to show increases in erect length after using an extender or studies that have tied stretched flaccid length to erect length after it has been augmented by stretching.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 21, 2011 16:20:48 GMT -5
sparticusI suspect that minor gains (0.5 inches or less) in either girth or length can be attributed to inconsistent measuring and/or erection quality. It could also imply gains. However, gains of 0.5" or more, especially gains of 1-2 inches can't be mis-measured, especially in light of the fact that most people who are undergoing traction workouts are obsessively measuring themselves often. So I consider a (unofficial) survey of the many members on the variety of PE forums reporting these gains (usually over years) with clearly nothing to sell as holding as much weight, if not more than an isolated study. Furthermore, there are techniques employed in conjunction with traction that may aid/stimulate gains (which includes warm-ups, stretches, jelqs, etc) which may not have been as emphasized in these studies (correct me if I'm mistaken). Ultimately, I agree that there is no official study confirming the legitimacy of PE exercise, and there are a good number of people who find it difficult to obtain gains similar to those who have had success. I will say this much: if one could commit to basic PE exercise (with little to no money spent at all), and if they are smart & safe about what they do, it really doesn't hurt to try. What do you have to lose? lol and I have never heard of someone "losing" size trying it. I think the appeal with phalloplasty is the instant gain one receives after a procedure. PE exercises require patience, delayed gratification, and a lifestyle to commit to this private method of penis enlargement - without any guarantees as to the extent of gains they could have. Check out new1inch's gains & report.
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Post by sparticus on Mar 21, 2011 22:19:01 GMT -5
SO
This is where our opinion differs, I put ZERO weight into claims by people on the PE forums. I gave those forums a fair shake for a year and came away more convinced that manual PE does NOT work from what I saw there. New1inch doesn't have pictures on his report.
I also disagree that one doesn't have anything to lose. Tweaking, a moderator at Thunders, did damage to his glans doing manual PE along with others listed in the injury threads. Another member reported nerve damage from using an extender. There are members that even claim impotence in the injury threads on various PE sites from the exercises. So, I certainly think people have something to lose with those exercises. Not everyone gets permanently injured, but people do and its not from incorrectly doing the exercises, its from the "exercises" themselves.
Extending may work, but there needs to be more studies. There are models in other areas to show tissue expansion can occur. However, pumping was not found to work when examined in 2 studies, one lasting 6 months. There is no way clamping and jelqing could work to legitimately increase the size of your penis, all it does is cause swelling. This is why many on the forums claim you have to keep doing jelqs and clamping to maintain your size. I can actually go into the mechanisms of how an erection works and describe exactly why this stuff is bunk. I bet if you ask on thunders, the "vets" will tell you its from increased blood flow or blood forcing expansion of the tunica. Here is an experiment, do reverse jelqs for 3 months, I bet you will make swelling gains the same as you make in normal jelqs. SO, I'm sharing this because you can get hurt doing those exercises and there is no way biologically any of those things could work except for penis traction, which in itself is still not well evidenced. The girth exercises are a lose lose situation with nothing for you to gain.
I know you feel those people have nothing to gain financially, but some do. Monkeybar, Biggirtha, Bib, Dr. Howardson (Merlin), Big Al, Aron Kemmer (forgot his SN), ect. all those members sell PE equipment and services and all make big claims. In addition, other "vets" are absolute nut cases who are only on the site for a fantasy. Check out thunders member "Horsehung" for an example. He was finally kicked for being caught in too many lies and harassing members. The guy claimed to have like an 11 inch dick and gained like 2+ inches from PE. He is now a supermoderator at PE gym under a different name. lol If you PM enough people and read through the threads long enough I think you will see what is going on there. Ask yourself why a forum with 120k member base posts less pictures than our forum here?
From my education, I know the girth claims are all bullshit outside of swelling, but the traction MAY work. However, like I said there needs to be studies to confirm that and I would even caution you with an extender as there are reports of nerve damage from them.
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Post by sparticus on Mar 28, 2011 12:11:56 GMT -5
I have been further researching the physicians behind some of the most well known extender research and I have concluded that the two studies I previously thought had the potential to be legit are bullshit. To sum things up quickly: the studies conducted at the University of Turin were done by a physician who is on Andromedical's "International Committee" (Dr. Gontero), which basically means paid consultant, advertiser, shill, however you want to call it. The list includes other physicians such as Dr. Hellstrom, who also has conducted research for the manufacturer of Andromedical. The study conducted in Iran was sponsored by the manufacturer Goldenerect or whatever the hell the name of the extender device used. Also, if anyone thinks the research coming out of Rush University is legit you should look at who Dr. Levine works for... He is a PAID consultant for Fast size and that is listed as a conflict of interest in the Journal his research is published in. This is pretty much the final nail in the coffin for extenders and penile traction for me.
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