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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 8, 2011 9:39:25 GMT -5
Hi Friends,
This thread is to examine an alternative approach to PMMA as enhancement rather than enlargement. The possibility of scheduling three sessions during travel to the States has brought me to consider taking a very conservative route to girth gains.
From Skeptical One's proposed definitions, this approach follows what would be called "enhancement" rather than maximizing enlargement. Now we must be clear that this doesn't necessarily mean that considerable enlargement won't be obtained, only that it will come through a longer, more expensive and tedious process.
There are some who after a single session of PMMA probably got results which met their expectations freeing them from follow up sessions. Others after gaining from their first session went on to further adjust or increase these gains by a touch up session. And "enlargers" probably went on to a second or third session to add more inches insofar as feasible. However this thread addresses those who either have specific shape configuration issues that need to be addressed during enhancement, or other characteristics such as shorter length or irregularities which require a more holistic approach to this treatment.
I suggest that a Conservative 3-step PMMA Enhancement could follow the protocol outlined below:
1. Placing aesthetic improvements first at each step of the enhancement;
2. Defining proportional limits between length and overall girth for each step of injection;
3. Staging the injections so that the first session is more preparatory than aiming at an initial satisfactory result;
4. Outlining in advance goals for all 3 sessions subject to later adjustment;
5. Redefining the objectives as if for a new procedure between stages;
6. Validating final shape and dimensions prior to the last session;
7. Taking every precaution that the limits aren't stretched so that noting irreversible is achieved.
The aim of this should be to ensure first a greater measure of patient control over the final clinical results as well as a broader latitude of corrective adjustment for the medical team undertaking the procedure. It should also allow for more parameters to enter into the project regarding girth and shape compromises and the solutions envisaged and retained.
While none of this is drastically different from the procedures others have undergone regardless of whether their PE was enhancement or enlargement, this approach is based upon an initial financial and time commitment to at least 3 PMMA sessions ensuring a perfect result in correspondence with better confirmed expectations, understanding full well that it might have been possible to reach similar results with a lot less time, effort and money thanks to Dr C's skills and know-how. This is why I have called this a Conservative approach, given the patient thus conserves control to a greater measure with more possibilities of intervening to adjust the results as well as more time to adjust to changes and readjust one's wishes and desiderata.
FWIW
HC
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 8, 2011 10:33:53 GMT -5
spoke to Wade about this as its pretty much my own guide lines.
And I mentioned this to Wade. He said that if I plan three treatments then its best to start with a full treatment then two touch ups. He said most people who start with touchs ups come then go for a full treatment second time as they like the results so much!
I can see that happening so I am going for a conservative full treatment and asking them to prioritze aesthetics over size then perhaps a little less the next time and the final touch up if there is any need.
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 8, 2011 13:22:49 GMT -5
Three sessions will cost may be $6500-7000+ including local travel. More for foreign travel.
Somehow I feel with enough planning and with the right patient, it is possible to achieve 80%-90% satisfactory results with one treatment, Comments?
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Post by smartman on Jun 8, 2011 14:13:32 GMT -5
I think it will depend on the esthetic look of your penis (if it is important for you or not) and on psychological issues also(e.g. body dysmorphia) .
Surely you will need more than one session for a thin long penis , but in the other hand you can have only one session if you have a thick short penis .
I have always said long penises will have a better result than short ones with pmma , all of us (with long or short penises ) want a very thick penis and thats the mistake it has to be proportional the length and the girth, otherwise will look unnatural. So it will be better to go for lengthening before pmma injection (that is my opinion).
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 8, 2011 14:17:40 GMT -5
@ justabitmore That's funny, a "conservative full treatment" because this means that they're good enough that they can dose the injections in such a way that by slightly holding off on product saturation they can achieve a near perfect result even with corrections at the same time as expansion of the 'appendice'. The reason I sort of wanted to take it more slowly was that it might ensure that one isn't left with a non reversible result not which isn't the one sought but more importantly which one has a hard time identifying with. Because at least in my own case I don't find that mine at present adequately reflects who I am, much less who I'd like to be or who I'd like to be seen as. So even if a good deal larger it would be ironic to nonetheless perpetuate this discomfort of not having the proper identifier symbolizing one's identity in the most intimate of circumstances. But I guess that Dr C and Wade work so well as a team that they can deliver results anyone properly interviewed and assessed can only be delighted with. Yet a few results did happen to be a good bit different than the patient expected and this is what I'd like to avoid if at all possible. I guess that this is why a second session is usually planned in advance as a matter of routine as it is customary given the partially unpredictable stimulation of collagen growth and the possibly changing response of patients. But would taking it more slowly be so crazy? I see one good feature of gradual expansion: being able to more plausibly pass it off as the result of DHT cream and a pump. mustang2020I think that your assumption is probably true. If you have a fairly straightforward situation you only wish to enlarge then it won't need any adjustments for enhancement, meaning that as a more simple procedure it would have greater chances of providing a lasting result in a single session. This might depend upon a variety of factors which we can only suspect but don't know, among which might be original proportions, target proportions, skin quality and looseness, serum diffusion, collagen response, post-operative healing, etc. You are right to highlight how the cost differential is large especially if one dials in travel. Yet many people spend several times that sum for a small car rather than a big unit which can over time transport farther than a lowly motor vehicle... Certainly I'd much rather pay for just one ticket and hotel stay, with one lump payment of $1,500 and no unexpected outlays while beaming at the resulting beam replacing my kindling twig. Yet I know that no sum of money is worth more than banishing forever that lasting denial that this can't be mine - and replacing it with a reserved respect if not pride in one's own plausibility. So I'm quite sure that a good result can be achieved in some cases with a single session, which is what I had originally hoped for at first due to travel costs and scheduling sessions six weeks apart. However in my case we'll have to figure out with the team if certain irregularities are easy to correct while at the same time gaining a sufficient girth and ensuring proportionate shape. HC
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Post by mustang2020 on Jun 8, 2011 14:21:45 GMT -5
I agree, lengthening before anything else. But, that takes a long time, some times a year or more to get a fraction of an inch and few people are committed to it. On the other hand, girth thru pmma for example is almost instant and so far has shown great results. So one can get girth, enjoys sex and meanwhile try for length increase.
for me, I am now looking at glans enhancement, and Dr. Runels method may not be well known, but it seems like it has no bad side effects. It is does not work, nothing happens...so I am told!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 8, 2011 14:26:04 GMT -5
I have always said long penises will have a better result than short ones with pmma , all of us (with long or short penises ) want a very thick penis and thats the mistake it has to be proportional the length and the girth, otherwise will look unnatural. So it will be better to go for lengthening before pmma injection (that is my opinion). Hi Smartman, I will have to agree with you there. That's why I posted that Lengthening thread in this session, seeking an accelerated method before my first session and then starting a regimen prior to the second, and likely scheduling a third at a much later date when further length has been achieved. I think that the ligament operation is unlikely to work for useful lasting erect lengthening, so I will be using DHT hormonal growth stimulation as well as maybe ballooning unless the later is incompatible with a PMMA boosted organ? Thanks for any suggestions. Given my under average 5" BPEL there is going to be a serious limit to the girth gains I can achieve while remaining inconspicuously shaped. I agree that even if the sensual effect for women is quite close to that of a fellow with a much longer equally thick member, a very wide shorter one doesn't look quite right. Also this might be due to the fact that given the wide girth requests there isn't sufficient length to discretely taper down to a smallish gland which almost goes unnoticed at the peak of a broad post. The day that gland enhancement or enlargement becomes feasible it might make the unnatural aspect of very thick shorter penises less likely since there isn't a tip contrasting with the width, which is then in turn contrasted with the length in a visual effect chain reaction. Cheers, HC
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 8, 2011 14:44:20 GMT -5
I agree, lengthening before anything else. But, that takes a long time, some times a year or more to get a fraction of an inch and few people are committed to it. On the other hand, girth thru pmma for example is almost instant and so far has shown great results. So one can get girth, enjoys sex and meanwhile try for length increase. Hi Mustang2020, I thought that is would be smarter to do things in proper sequence, but I agree that after years of feeling inadequate I'm not ready to postpone the girth for hypothetical length gains one is never guaranteed of achieving. So I'll just stretch it to the limit avoiding if at all possible a hernia or ligament detachment. for me, I am now looking at glans enhancement, and Dr. Runels method may not be well known, but it seems like it has no bad side effects. If it does not work, nothing happens...so I am told! You're right about the glans enhancement being critical, because whatever results we might achieve on the stem the crowning ornament is really the termination of the scepter. To wide a girth will invariably tend to dwarf it, making it appear smaller than it actually is. More length reduces this visual distortion yet glans enlargement would solve this dilemma once and for all by bringing a third proportional variable to the new composition. I put myself in Dr Runels mailing list given that this is indeed the only path bearing hope at present although we never can know what the futur holds. I am also hoping that the cream application stimulates new DHT receptors in the glans so that it grows naturally, I will be taking human growth hormones at the same time. At worse just like with Dr Runels technique, if not nothing lost, it isn't as if DHT cream could shrink it. ;D HC
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 8, 2011 16:46:16 GMT -5
@ Hunck Chunk I think your approach is right on! It might not suit everyone with travel, time and expenses ( I have a 16-18 hours flight and a 6K ticket to pay) but in a perfect world I would agree entirely with your thinking and will do all three trips if necessary. At the same time I am also sure that one or two treatments can also sometimes be enough as we have seen with some of this boards members. Regarding DHT cream and growth hormone I will however say that after years of experience with steroids and growth hormone and knowing hundreds of individuals plus reading and studying the subject for over twenty years. That neither will influence your penis size at your age. If your were a fetus or on the brink of puberty then there are studies to support that hormone treatments can affect your penis size. Some people say steroids will have the opposite effect that is also not true however your testicle size can be affected unless you take pre cautions. So you might look smaller in pants. Sorry don't mean to put a downer on it but one of the hundred people I know or one of the thousands on anyone of the forums I used to be part of would have said something! I know you are rubbing the cream on the area but dht and inhibitors of dht (like rogain) will affect the body systemically if ingested so if you are on winstrol, masteron or any type of testosterone your dht levels will be high. Don't know you cream but I am guessing one normal t dose a week will do more to bring dht in your blood and if you were lying in a bath of dht cream. As for growth hormone great drug but not for a bigger penis. Sorry BTW I take no pleasure in being right about this and I was thinking about not saying anything in case I disturbed the placebo effect but its a forum and we all bring something to the table. I happen to have used those drugs for over twenty three years and have many friends who does the same. Strongmen, cage fighters, power lifters and boxers. so thats the sandwich I am bringing to the picnic! Good luck on your journey though ! Will let you all know how I get on next week in Mexico!
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Post by Skeptical One on Jun 8, 2011 17:03:29 GMT -5
justabitmoreJust curious, were you addressing Supa or someone else? Supa hasn't responded to this thread. Just wondering
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 8, 2011 17:13:14 GMT -5
justabitmoreJust curious, were you addressing Supa or someone else? Supa hasn't responded to this thread. Just wondering @so Modified ;D had just replied to Supa before on another post lol Thanks!!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 9, 2011 2:33:37 GMT -5
Regarding DHT cream and growth hormone I will however say that after years of experience with steroids and growth hormone and knowing hundreds of individuals plus reading and studying the subject for over twenty years. That neither will influence your penis size at your age. If your were a fetus or on the brink of puberty then there are studies to support that hormone treatments can affect your penis size. Actually I am not banking on the Growth Hormone or steroid precursors to generate growth there, they are only to assist if possible with likely a neutral effect. I had already decided to use them before discovering this forum or the PMMA treatment to firm up the body after losing 30 lbs of excess weight. So they're just something going on in the background. The DHT cream isn't effective in 3/4 of the men tested for its use in length and girth gains but studies showed positive results in a quarter of the test sample of over one hundred men with gains up to 156%. I figure I might be a good candidate for this cream because my father is huge sized, my brother is a lot bigger than me, but when I was a teenager some of my hormones turned to estrogen giving me a small case of gynecomastia and stunting penile growth. So I hope to kickstart again the halted growth down there if at all possible, that is in case it had been programmed genetically before the estrogen surge interfered... Some people say steroids will have the opposite effect that is also not true however your testicle size can be affected unless you take pre cautions. So you might look smaller in pants. Sounds funny but I don't really care about the visuals of my testicle size, at least at present. Sorry don't mean to put a downer on it but one of the hundred people I know or one of the thousands on anyone of the forums I used to be part of would have said something! I am grateful for your frankness and this place is to confront difficult facts and get as clear a picture of where we're at and how we can do something about it. I know you are rubbing the cream on the area but dht and inhibitors of dht (like rogain) will affect the body systemically if ingested so if you are on winstrol, masteron or any type of testosterone your dht levels will be high. Don't know you cream but I am guessing one normal t dose a week will do more to bring dht in your blood and if you were lying in a bath of dht cream. This cream provides 5 times more DHT locally than a direct steroid injection would spread throughout the entire body. It is said to be able to "potentially" stimulate the reappearance of new DHT sensors in the rod telling the cells to reproduce and grow. Of course this is only in a minority of test subjects. Others see no change. I think it might have to do with whether your original genetics were stopped by another process yet remain latent waiting to be triggered again? I hope! As for growth hormone great drug but not for a bigger penis. Sorry
BTW I take no pleasure in being right about this and I was thinking about not saying anything in case I disturbed the placebo effect but its a forum and we all bring something to the table. I happen to have used those drugs for over twenty three years and have many friends who does the same. Strongmen, cage fighters, power lifters and boxers. so thats the sandwich I am bringing to the picnic! Not without stem cells I guess. I've been using high doses of DHEA (200 to 300mg / day) as well which does stimulate the entire body into readiness and starting with weak stuff, Methyl 1-D for beginners, and will be using other additives including DAA (acetonic acid) and finishing with both a suicide and an active estrogen inhibitor Formadral extreme along with HGC once off cycle and coincidentally in Dr C's office for my first PMMA session. Good luck on your journey though ! Will let you all know how I get on next week in Mexico! Glad for you that it's coming true so soon. Let us know how it goes and we'll be here rooting for you in this incredible time of change. Cheers, HC
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Post by justabitmore on Jun 10, 2011 16:08:06 GMT -5
@ hunkchunk
Thanks for the wishes man will let you know how it goes.
Re roids and hgh hcg etc. It sounds like you are using them for a different primary aim IE body recomposition for which it is intended so good luck with that. HGH is a good choice for that in low moderate dosages. Your suicidal anti e is one of the best. Your choice of androgens m1 and dhea are actually quite problematic especially the former which now famous for late onset gyno so be sure to keep anti e's going for 8 weeks or more afterwards. This is a PE forum so will shut trap re other chems but if you need any help then pm me. In any event as long as you keep ancillary anti e close you are safe.
Will let you know how it all goes take care !!
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 11, 2011 4:43:11 GMT -5
Hi justabitmore,
Have you decided on a size and shape or are you waiting to discuss this with Dr C right before your procedure? I'm thinking of a gradually tapered Space Shuttle shape, but who knows what he will recommend from my original configuration's starting point.
Thanks for the advice on supplements, I may run that by you in a PM if you're not to taken up by your procedure. We're with you and if there's any qualms just post or start your own follow-up thread in that dedicated section.
Cheers,
HC
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Post by hunkchunk on Jun 12, 2011 1:08:07 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
It has me wondering if Mr Wade isn't present in this forum and maybe had stumbled upon this thread? Here is his considerate and attentive reply made to my recent inquiry:
"Since you are traveling a great distance for this treatment, we will probably be a bit more conservative at your first treatment. Using a 10% concentration, as well as not overfilling the area. Your gains will not be that of a penis treated with 20%. However gains, and less retraction will still be apparent. Since the tissue of the area will be greatly firmed up following the first treatment, should you choose to do a second treatment, the irregularities will be much easier to manage, and we can also use a higher concentration of PMMA."
His considered opinion is such that it offers as close as possible to a guarantee of minimizing risks of unstable results which are hard to manage from a great distance with the heftier constraints of travel costs and downtime. Also he seems to suggest that a second session in such a case wouldn't be mandatory given that there is less risk of irregularities in PMMA distribution, or at least if present that they would be insufficient to create significant distress. This also might reflect a strategy in the case of an organ with a somewhat irregular original shape to first correct that shape as well as possible using conservative concentrations located in targeted distribution, to only later seek to make significant girth gains by applying a more regular injection pattern to a normalized revised more symmetrical shape?
This also has me wondering what might be meant by his use of the term "retractions"? Also, the quite modest gains of 10% make me wonder if there is such a thing as a PMMA 15% dilution available, or would that defeat the purpose of creating a regular starting shape in an initial stage? Would this be possibly because I have a downturned glans, requiring a corrective reshaping of the shaft to center it? Thus I wonder if 15% instead of 10% would be a compromise, allowing to still get substantial gains upon the first visit while making any ensuing irregularities less manifest than 20% while granting more girth than 10%? Or might it rather be, as Nurse Wade very tactfully omitted to mention, that given my short length more girth than that provided by 10% concentrate would not provide a positive result?
Thanks for voicing an opinion if you've had your own observations of the result of different PMMA concentrations in stimulating collagen buildup for the better or the worse. For I was hoping for a noticeable girth increase at this first visit "if at all possible", which now seems to be unlikely at 10%, but obviously Mr Wade and Dr C are experts and they definitely know how it should best be handled.
HC
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