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Post by bigbizo8 on Apr 9, 2011 21:21:22 GMT -5
Welcome Kevin256 it's a couple of fellows on here that had the Elist implant but before you go and have this done do your research on the different types of procedures and way the pros and cons. I'm not hear to bash or tell you to go with this or that procedure but we've had some guys who try and give out fake information for Dr Elist which I thought was real BS. If u get a chance read through a couple of stories of guys that had it done and read other procedures guys had on here, like PMMA read about that then make your decision
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Post by new1inch on Apr 9, 2011 21:48:15 GMT -5
@ kevin.. welcome to the site. you need to go visot the patient support group thread to look at the guys who have had the pmma procedure and follow their progress. bigbizo8 has had the pmma procedure done and from what i know is happy with the results. the best thing you did for your Dick today was to come to this website before you went under the knife with Dr. Elist. All doctors act professional or of any business of that sort when they know they have big bucks coming their way. just think of how nice the car salesman is until you find out they have sold you a lemon and now want your money back.. Judge judy anyone..lol "i watch waay too much tv..lol but i see that all the time. im just saying be careful.
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Post by bigbizo8 on Apr 9, 2011 22:34:40 GMT -5
New1inch yes I had PMMA and gain a very good girth from My first treatment
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 9, 2011 23:54:40 GMT -5
@kevin
welcome to the forum, there are still some former Elist patients who log in from time to time. The Elist implant is by far the most controversial subject on these forums, and if you are willing to put in the time to review all the pertinent threads you'll read both the good & the bad and judge for yourself. My advice to you is do as much research as possible and keep in mind there are alternative methods to consider when researching as well (Belladerm, Alloderm, FFT, PMMA, dermal fat grafts, scaffolds).
Good luck!
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Post by messageman on Apr 10, 2011 2:12:27 GMT -5
I agree with skeptical one.... Please do your research carefully...You're on the right site for that.
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Post by hoddle10 on Apr 10, 2011 12:18:36 GMT -5
How do you find guys that are real patients that are prepared to sit down with in person and show you their results in the flesh. Yesterday you said you wanted to do this and now today you've found these guys! Odd stuff certainly does happen amongst potential Elist patients. In the last coupe of weeks we've had a guy who had FFT with a surgeon that doesn't do FFT who claimed to be skeptical about the industry, but then jumped into having surgery with Dr Elist, despite all the Elsit horror stories. We then had a guy who Elist apparently reffered to a Dr who doesn't even have a medical license, who told him he can have the implant in 3 weeks time. And now a guy who has found unpaid Elist patients who are prepared to meet and show a stranger their dicks. Why is the odd stuff always happening with potential Dr Elist patients?
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Post by new1inch on Apr 10, 2011 18:20:11 GMT -5
lol.. @ hoodle.. it is strange. but maybe he's telling the truth. @ kevin, you only get 1 penis. if you can avoid having a knife to your penis i think is the best choice. i heard of some being ok with the results but with that came length lost. have you also researched belladerm or pmma? you seem so fixated on the elist implant. can you tell me what really attracts you to this procedure besides the immediate girth?
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Post by hoddle10 on Apr 10, 2011 19:53:00 GMT -5
You don't think it's strange that you post here at 9.38pm saying you want to see the implant up close in person and then by the next day you've spoken to not one, but two guys who are willing to show a complete stranger their genitals. Most of the time it's hard enough to get people to post photo's. Once in a blue moon, someone will post a video. But you've got 2 guys who'll meet you in person and you don't think that's odd? Are these guys conviniently located near to you are you going to be flying all over the country to take a peek? Whether you are telling the truth or not, there is no getting around the fact that it is strange.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 10, 2011 20:45:51 GMT -5
I suspect if they are Elist referrals, they were offered some form of compensation and/or discount (of their original procedure) to be so candid with strangers regarding a topic that 99% of guys here would never reveal to the public. Unpaid ? I suppose its possible but I have major doubts. Every guy posting their pictures here would probably never ever post their face or real name... that "in a way" is what these referrals are doing (albeit not to the whole world). Maybe it's just my name... "Skeptical One," lol.
I don't know Dr. Elist personally, but I do know that his website is now associated with MyNewSize, and for me that is a problem. Just something to keep in mind.
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Post by bigbizo8 on Apr 10, 2011 21:10:51 GMT -5
Kevin276 I have to agree with Hoddle10 u said that u sat down and seen these guys which is far fetch to me. I can tell a girl over the phone that I'm hung like a burmese python, and if I'm convincing she will believe me. I also talk to one of Elist so called patient, but he turned out to be a SHILL to the 3rd degree, I just hope your not another SHILL for the love of God.
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Post by mustang2020 on Apr 11, 2011 1:21:42 GMT -5
Kevin, what did the Dr. tell you as far as what you would gain in this operation? Length, girth? and did he give you a full explanation of the pain you will feel and any after surgery care? Did he explain to you that he will stitch the implant near the pubic bone? Good luck with your decision.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 11, 2011 1:53:09 GMT -5
@kevin276 In fairness, since you are new to this site I should give you some background that might better explain the sentiments of some of our members. First, we have accounts of both good and bad results by Dr. Elist, but the bad one's stick out because of the serious nature(s) of their complications. And it is suggested that the doctor isn't as forthcoming with the potential risks that are KNOWN to exist with this method. In other words, retraction and "exploding" (protruding implant) penises CAN and HAVE happened as a result of post-op complication. Has he explained to you that there are risks, that you should carefully analyze whether or not you need the procedure, and the type of complications that can arise? Also, has he stated a complication rate? This would be important information and if you have it please do share. Secondly: MyNewSize's ownership. Not sure if Dr. Elist bought it out or is paying the current administrator, but that website was/is notorious for censoring negative accounts of Dr. Elist's procedure (hence why this forum was born). We all got mad and upset that our comments were being withheld and decided to start up a forum where the free flow of information could be exchanged without the incentive for profit. I personally felt that cutting out a commercial aspect to a forum would be the best way to ensure members have a reason to trust it. It's our penises we're talking about here, and we're not going to have our information brought to us by the highest bidder. Last but not least, shill activity. A member was busted here recently and his thread can be found here: phalloplasty.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=articles&action=display&thread=201 You can start to see why there is hesitation to trust any referral from the doctor when he is willing to employ shills. These same shills post over at MyNewSize, a website which is also linked directly from Dr. Elist's website. Why in the world would a doctor associate himself with these shady characters is beyond me! And there is no doubt of the association since you can see for yourself that MyNewSize is pretty much a commercial operation for Dr. E's practice. A doctor doesn't really need to employ a sales person and I don't buy the excuse that it was high demand that led to the need for sales people and brokers. There are tons of practices out there that are insanely busy, if you want an appointment, call their receptionist. Hiring a marketer to promote the existence of your product is one thing...hiring an idiotic shill who fails miserably at pretending to be a legitimate patient is just well... embarrassing. There are other reasons for his controversial practice and his unpopular method of the silicone implant and I don't think it's necessary to detail them all. A chance to review the pertinent threads here will shed some light if you care to know. I hope you are beginning to see why our members tend to be very critical when the Elist topic comes up. I should remind all those who are reading this to remember that not everyone who discusses Dr. Elist is a shill and that we should be mindful of this reality and do our best to remain respectful when being critical. I'm not suggesting anyone has been disrespectful, I'm just throwing that out there as a reminder.I should note most importantly, this site isn't anti-doctor or pro-doctor, but more accurately pro-facts. There are actual short-term success stories with the silicone implant (long-term not well known) found at the Progress Reports forum (Marknmau and Stalemango to name a couple). They posted with honesty, accuracy, and sincerity. Their information was not censored or bashed. This demonstrates this forum's willingness to remain objective. Likewise, there are also many accounts of poor outcomes with the silicone implant... And the culmination of these facts and experiences has lead to some of the most tense and sensitive discussions, and this may explain why there is so much passion about the topic. I am afraid members will remain very critical of you at least in the short term. This is the climate brought to us by our "good friends" at MyNewSize, you can thank them. With that being said, if you are actively responding in truth, and you are in fact sincere then we will all know in due time. No one is accusing you of any foolery but it was important that the facts were clarified and that the information we receive makes sense. I believe if you are a man of research and objectivity, and have carefully reviewed everything I have just outlined, you will begin to understand (and perhaps even appreciate) the lens that you will be put under as time goes on. We're all in this together, and hopefully you can contribute effectively to the forum with all of that in mind. Hopefully you can bring some legitimate contributions to the table, since even the more unpopular methods could use an enlightening counter-perspective. Welcome again to PhalloBoards, -S.O.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 11, 2011 2:25:30 GMT -5
@kevin
I strongly suggest discussing MNS (MyNewSize dot com) with Dr. Elist and ask him whether or not he owns it or whether or not he is working through some type of broker that maintains the site for him. If he says it's a broker, ask him who the broker is since after all he should have nothing to hide.
You might be surprised how influential (to decision making) these answers could be once put into perspective.
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Post by biggerbob on Apr 11, 2011 11:39:34 GMT -5
@ Kevin
I would strongly suggest listening to SO as to the reasons behind the emotional debate behind the Elist implant. I HAD a mild case of Peyronies which I was able to correct over a couple of years using a stretching device and a pump. It also gave me a small increase in length (about a quarter of an inch). But it took time and patience. I have recently restarted my efforts in order to attempt to increase my length overall as I am convinced that this works from my own personal experience. Personally, I have decided on the PMMA route that many members here have chosen. I have decided that this is the least risky option for myself.
I, like many others on this site have been researching PE fro quite some time. I would encourage you to fully research your options prior to going under the knife.
There are a few guys on this site that have got the Elist implant and are happy with the results. I would recommend talking with them about this rather than anyone recommended by MNS. There are also a few that have not had good outcomes from the Elist. I would talk with them also.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 11, 2011 20:28:14 GMT -5
@kevin
There really aren't many reports of Dr. E's testicular enhancement here minus UncleJJ (which isn't really a report) and Florida's (found at the Progress Report Forum). It is definitely a relevant topic to these forums, and I haven't heard/learned of anything that would say it is more or less problematic than the penile prosthesis. I think since our penis is instrumental in providing stimulation to a woman, and where the testes are not as important in this regard, you will find less men willing to undergo the risks for testicular enhancement. This may explain why there are significantly more reports of PE surgery versus test surgery.
I wouldn't recommend undergoing this procedure if your balls are of "average" size. Since they do nothing to benefit your pleasure-making in bed, it would be spending grands on needless vanity...unless of course someone has below-average testes and has been negatively impacted by them..
just my 2 cents
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