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Post by stanlee on Mar 12, 2011 19:49:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't say there's a pro-doctor group forming. Rather, I'd call it more of a reaction to one poster's comments that could be considered consistently slanted towards the negative. And it's a bit of an presumptuous to say that EVERYBODY who has PMMA is going to want it out, and that the perfect penis via stem-cell technology is just a decade away. It's a nice idea, but there's no way of knowing if that will be the case. I realize I am losing points here for sticking up for "negativity". A guy named Londonlad use to post on all the PE forums. A lot of you remember him. He was about the most negative guy you could imagine. Yet a lot of his material was helpful to people making decisions. Granted, his delivery was less dry than Sparticus's. You are also missing the part of my sentence where I say people are "probably" going to want it out. Stem cell tech is not a certainity but, yesterday Dr. Atala annouced he had just built and implanted urethras. He has also made corpus cavernosum. He is clearly trying to make the whole enchilada. I am betting he'll do it in about ten year or that another technolgy will come along, in which case I want the option of being able to remove anything I may put in my body and many other people will also want that option.
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Post by stanlee on Mar 12, 2011 20:27:12 GMT -5
BTW Sparticus I am not knocking you with that "dry" comment. I appreciate your posts.
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Post by sacstock on Mar 12, 2011 23:29:10 GMT -5
I think that it is unlikely that stem cell technology will be useful for INCREASING the size of the penis over the genotypic standard in the near future. Maybe REPAIRING Dr. Elist's patients, but it seems to me that using stem cells to permanently expand specialized tissues beyond their genetically determined sizes is probably a long ways away.
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Post by Skeptical One on Mar 12, 2011 23:53:27 GMT -5
sacstockI was thinking the same thing. I was under the impression that stem cells would simply replicate what has already been dictated by our genes... so that would imply repair rather than augment. But I'm no scientist, and time will tell.
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Post by stanlee on Mar 13, 2011 0:07:19 GMT -5
Sacstoc, I don't think that is the case. Wake Forrest has, for example, 4 different sized bladders they can put into people who need new bladders. If there is room for a larger one there is no reason why they couldn't implant it.
Ears are ready to go....no reason they couldn't attach dumbo ears if that were your pleasure. Your genes will determine how big your organs grow but will not limit the size of new organs.
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Post by mikehok on Mar 13, 2011 8:08:21 GMT -5
I knew londonlad quite well, in fact I travelled to Serbia with him and we both had scaffold surgery. He only became negative after the surgery required reconstruction resulting in him having to become circumcised and losing sensitivity in the process. He became quite down about the outcome and I lost touch with him. When I last spoke with him he was still intent on increasing his girth somehow.
It didn't go well for me either, in hindsight I should have had pmma. I would have been less likely to suffer problems and would have actually gained something.
Does anyone seriously think we will be surgically attaching stem cell cocks to ourselves anytime soon ? I doubt it.
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Post by stanlee on Mar 13, 2011 12:52:50 GMT -5
Londonlad was the one who convinced me not to go Serbia. He's a good fellow.
As far as stem cells, if a group has the tissue that makes up the spongy part of the penis, corpus cavernosum, (which Atala will probably have within a year based on the fact that their typical time between producing a tissue in animals and producing it in humans is about three years and they grew it in rabbits over two years ago) then the "only" thing they would need next to increase girth is tissue that increases the tissue around the caverousm that keeps it in place.
There was an Egyptian doctor who was doing vein grafts to the penis that essentialy increased the diameter of the shaft. The only problem was that there was not enough pressure to get an erection because he did not have corpus cavernosum to implant but, he was able to add several inches in girth. If someone has both the corpus tissue and the tissue to restrain it they could add girth effeciently. There is no reason why Atala shouldn't licence his tissue to other groups as well.
I think that ten years is a very realistic timeline.
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Post by mikehok on Mar 13, 2011 18:14:28 GMT -5
A penis has corpus cavernosum, corpus spongiosum, tunica, bucks fascia, dartos fascia, skin, veins, arteris, nerves, glans, etc etc. I'd love to know how they are going to put all that together !
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Post by stanlee on Mar 13, 2011 19:41:12 GMT -5
With Super Glue Mike. With Super Glue.
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