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Post by kingpin on Mar 16, 2011 12:46:48 GMT -5
Soma: So you hang done hanging with the Bib and the Grip? what are your thoughts on both of them? Ive only used the grip system but im thinking about buying the bib hanger. Id like to hear your input since you have used both... things like ease of use, ability to hang heavy weights, comfort, etc...
Also my erection angle hasn't changed at all since my surgery and prior to surgery i had asked the doctor about that and what he said made sense to me. That the suspensory ligament has nothing to do with erection angle. Your penis is a muscle and your personal erection angle is based on your own genetics and blood flow into the penis NOT the suspensory ligament.
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Post by soma on Mar 16, 2011 22:15:02 GMT -5
I like the grip better for comfort and I can hang for longer periods with it, but I haven't gone above 15lbs yet and I doubt it will be effective at higher weights. That said, I'm not sure the heavy weights will be necessary with my ligs gone.
Dr R said the same to me about the erection angle, and low and behold he was right. I'm not saying he's the oracle or anything, just that he was spot on with that. My angle is exactly the same~
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Post by mustang2020 on Mar 17, 2011 2:15:54 GMT -5
Not sure if the penis is a muscle. The blood chambers are of a sponge nature that when full of blood they expand creating an erection.
The ligaments do support the penis but do not effect the angle of erection as mentioned above. They help for example when you have a lady on top of you in stabilizing the penis.
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Post by rustyboar on Mar 26, 2011 4:08:48 GMT -5
Soma how's everything going? What is you gains now? Thank you for this post
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Post by soma on Apr 9, 2011 21:21:54 GMT -5
Hi All,
Everything is going well and I'll be posting 6 month pics next week. Length gains are still coming and girth is static. That said, I went too heavy for too long with the "grip" and got a blister on my head...ouch. Consequently I have had to take the last week off. Back at it now at 13lbs for 1 hour.
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Post by kingpin on Apr 12, 2011 9:07:05 GMT -5
hey soma:
im glad thiings are going well for you.. whats your length at now? i know you wanted to get a 2nd girth surgery. What do u think of pmma? as u might remember ive had belladerm done also and im now thinking about getting PMMA done for my 2nd girth procedure....
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Post by soma on Apr 12, 2011 20:54:37 GMT -5
King,
I'm at 7.25 erect length, that's .5 erect gain so far (6 months post op, 4 months of hanging). I can bone press a flaccid stretch to 7.75, mid shaft girth gain of .75, base girth gain of 1+ inch (go figure...I think the all day hanger may have compressed the graft~). I'm still planning on a second surgery, but want to get all the length gains I can before I do it, so I'll probably wait a full year. Hopefully by then I'll know more about PMMA. So far, I don't care for the aesthetic at all, no matter how cheap it is (no offense intended to anybody), but I am definately interested and look forward to seeing how these progress. I have a lot of questions about how it would work considering the prior Belladerm widening.
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Post by lplumberman on Apr 13, 2011 16:00:23 GMT -5
Hey guys MNS sucks , glad i found you guys , did alot of reading on here , lots of good stuff {pmma} had my heart on DR. R so i had to catch up on this pmma, few pics look great some dont sorry guys , Soma your looks far the best ! yardstick had a bad out come witch made me wait and think twice but after seeing yours back on the boat . I can see the price on pmma can be very tempting , what do you guy think ?
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Post by sparticus on Apr 13, 2011 17:58:51 GMT -5
Soma What was your erect length before starting manual PE for the first time?
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 13, 2011 18:02:57 GMT -5
I am almost certain aesthetics will vary from person to person (as well as susceptibility for complication) for ANY PE enhancement procedure, so please keep this in mind guys.
For example, I've seen both excellent and not-so-excellent pictures of the Elist implant, so even with something so "consistent" (the implant itself), results themselves were never consistent.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 13, 2011 18:22:11 GMT -5
I should also note that if you are looking for a minor girth enhancement (0.75" or less in circumference), chances are that alloderm/belladerm, DFG, Staged-PRP-FFT, and PMMA would all have similar aesthetic results since the overall volumetric change wouldn't be drastic... and your penis would probably maintain some "proportionality."
I think with anything above 3/4" of an inch presents the doctor/surgeon with a much more challenging task of maintaining aesthetic quality. Keep in mind, just the dwarfing of the glans due to significant girth gain alone can be considered a poor aesthetic result (even if the shaft itself was done nicely). I do believe any procedure can yield a pleasing result (I've seen at least one for each procedure known), but the "bigger," you go, the "smaller" your outlook should be for aesthetic end-result. This is true for virtually every girth procedure I know of.
This is my personal assessment from years of following results/pictures.
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Post by Skeptical One on Apr 13, 2011 18:25:06 GMT -5
And 0.75" wasn't arbitrary... (correct me if I'm mistaken) but it isn't unusual to obtain around 3/4 of an inch with the Allo/bella, PMMA, and scaffold options on the first session.
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Post by hoddle10 on Apr 13, 2011 18:46:42 GMT -5
I agree with SO. Soma has had an aesthetically pleasing result, but if you look at photo 8 on page 1, you can see where the graft ends at the bottom. On photo 10 you can see where it ends at the top. If you were to layer the same amount of belloderm again on top of that, then it's going to become visibly obvious and start to look a bit odd. I think a similarly pleasing result could be achieved with PMMA if one wanted a similar gain of 0.75". However, it would take two sessions. First put enough PMMA in to get the size gain and then go back 6 weeks later to have it soothed out. It's just none of our members seem to be interested in making such modest gains and if they go back for a second session they seem to all want as much put in as possible.
Personally at the moment I've decided PMMA isn't for me, but if I ever did it, I think I'd ask for more modest gains of about 0.6" and use the second session to smooth it out. I'd be delighted with the gains and aesthetic Soma achieved. I'd love to be 5.5" in girth but with a very natural appearance. For me aesthetic appearance is as important as size, but it seems nearly everyone else just wants be as big as possible. That's why, even if i believed in the method, I could never have the Elist implant as I couldn't accept such an obviously fake appearance and feel. Having a woman think I had an enlargement would be as bad for me as having a small penis, but it obviously doesn't bother most others anywhere near as much.
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Post by soma on Apr 14, 2011 0:04:39 GMT -5
This thread is getting interesting-
Pre-op bpel was 6.75 for those arithmetically challenged (or not wanting to read the long ass thread I copied from TP...I'm not hating and wouldn't want to myself lol)
Hoddle, I'm not sure where you could see the bottom of the graft (base) in any of those pics, it just wasn't there at the time. However, the top, especially on my left side has a noticeable gap which has increased slightly over time. That said, now I have stretched to where I CAN feel and see the bottom of the graft; this will be obvious in my new pics.
So, I asked Dr R how this would play out with additional layers and he told me he could fill the gap with the new layer if the skin was sufficiently loose (it will be....pretty much already is and I'll make sure with pumping over time), and that any bumps towards the base he could smooth out. I'm not sure exactly how he'll do this but he sounded pretty confident and I have no reason to believe otherwise. He does do plenty of reconstructions~
I anticipate (and hope for) a pleasing aesthetic if I go with him. If I see some good PMMA aesthetics I may change my mind as it's WAY cheaper. I plan on asking him about PMMA to see what he thinks. I'll let you guys know what he tells me~
SO,
Great points about the head size. Mine was much larger than my shaft to begin with and so far looks balanced, but if I go bigger it may start to look asymmetrical. I also plan to ask him if he does the injectable Bella under the corona.
I'm hanging right now and plan to take some pics afterwards. I will post them tonight or Friday-
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Post by soma on Apr 14, 2011 0:12:19 GMT -5
Sparticus,
I was too lazy to read you question thoroughly, how ironic~sorry man. Having re-read it: before PE (non-surgical) I was just under 6 bpel. I hung for a long time and gained an inch, but then stopped for years and found myself back to 6.5. I started pe'ing again a few months before surgery and was back to 6.75. Since then I've gain 1/2 inch erect length.
Now to be clear, these are 90 degree bpel while standing; it's very honest and consistent measuring. If sitting and angling down I can see over 8 on a flaccid stretch. I continue to gain too, albeit slowly. When doing manual PE I had stopped gaining.
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