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Post by allofme2 on Feb 26, 2011 14:52:43 GMT -5
Feel free to ad names as they appear.
Known shills operating over at MNS
TAXMAN THICKONE EXTRAGIRTH
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Post by lawman on Feb 26, 2011 16:30:20 GMT -5
Wow you guys are really pathetic, you waste so much time and effort trying to spread lies about the good DR. Think about it this way, if he has been doing this for 10 years, and 90% of patients have had issues don't you think they would have pulled the plug. Out of thousands of people you are all getting together to bash the implant. Well I say this, who are you all working for? What interest do you have in this forum, considering you created an entire website devoted to ruining the dr's reputation I would say there is more to the story the you simply not being satisfied. Several of you are bordering on defamation, its sad to think that you all have such a lack of things to do.
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Post by hoddle10 on Feb 26, 2011 16:52:55 GMT -5
Wow you guys are really pathetic, you waste so much time and effort trying to spread lies about the good DR. Think about it this way, if he has been doing this for 10 years, and 90% of patients have had issues don't you think they would have pulled the plug. Out of thousands of people you are all getting together to bash the implant. Well I say this, who are you all working for? What interest do you have in this forum, considering you created an entire website devoted to ruining the dr's reputation I would say there is more to the story the you simply not being satisfied. Several of you are bordering on defamation, its sad to think that you all have such a lack of things to do. So how did Dr Samiter get away with so long? It took for one of his patients to die before the plug was pulled on him. What about GAry Rhienchild? He only stopped performing surgery due to ill health, desptie butchering so many guy? And what about Sheldon Burman? Again he destroyed the lives of many guys, but carried on for years. I think the only reason he stopped was because in the end one of his patients dropped a bomb threw his letter box. Why don't you think about it. He's been doing this for 10 years, yet has had to redesign the implant at least 3 times during this period. Why would he do this if there weren't the problems. Why did he stop using the implant and revert to using FFT and dermal grafts if it was so successful? And why does the Dr the he is currently working with say the implant still needs work? It really doesn't make any sense when you actually think about it, does it?
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Post by allofme2 on Feb 26, 2011 17:16:48 GMT -5
Another name for the list
lAWMAN
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Post by allofme2 on Feb 26, 2011 17:22:50 GMT -5
The question hoddle10 you should be posing to lawman is not to waste your breathe with intelligent feedback but ask how much he gets paid to be a shill
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 26, 2011 17:27:54 GMT -5
hoddle10Excellent response! allofme2Gee, should I just whip the Ban button or let him sit around and spew his fodder? lol! lawmanDefamation are against forum rules and will not be tolerated. I really don't find it necessary to defend this forum to you or explain that we don't harbor any agendas here. Just read the forum rules and the sticky threads.
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 26, 2011 17:39:17 GMT -5
allofme2Don't forget "newgirth" for your list which was here (but banned) and over at MNS. Also sodacanman.
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 26, 2011 17:58:25 GMT -5
I hate these people with a passion. Money is the root to all evil
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Post by hoddle10 on Feb 26, 2011 19:15:58 GMT -5
The things is there are some very happy Elist patients around, such as Stale Mango et al and I'm concerned the anti Elist sentiment these shills evoke, might make them not want to post anymore. We can't simply attack every guy who posts something positive about an experience with Dr Elist. We know there are genuine guys out there that are happy. But for some reason (quite an obvious reason), on a number of messageboards, over the last few years, hundreds of threads have been started by guys seemingly desperate to tell people of their amazing success with the Elist implant. Yet for some reason (again an obvious reason) you don't get guys who have had other types of PE doing this.
Fo example, so far we know of quite a few guys that post here who have been to Dr C for PMMA and the success rate is 100% so far. There must also be a number of lurkers who dont want to post who have also been and had PMMA. And of course, Dr C has been doing the procedure for a few years, so there must numerous guys who have already had it done. Yet, despite how pleased everyone seems, no one has felt the need to start a thread singing Dr C's praises on this, or any other messageboard. How many thousands of guys has Giunta done surgery on over the years? And we know there are happy patients, such as IDM. Yet, once again, there is a distinct shortage of guys randomly turning up at messageboards starting threads like "why Dr Giunta is the best." What is really odd, is that until about 3 years ago, when Elist started working with Chad, he was hardly mentioned on any penis enlargement messageboard. Yet since it was announced at the Yahoo group that Elist and MNS were working together, messageboards have become inundated with threads and posts concerning James Elist and his implant. Where were all these happy patients before Elist and Chad go together?
I challenge anyone to find more than 5 posts that mentions Elist on any of the big PE forums, that are more than 3 years old. The earliest mention I can find of him was in 2002 at the Yahoo group and it was a comment about Gary Rhienchild having to remove an implant put in by James Elist. Other than that, the only mention I can find of him (on thundersplace, defunct yahoo group, MNS, MOS, betterman and PEgym), is a guy at thundersplace who had FFT with him and another guy who had FFT removed by him.
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Post by idm on Feb 26, 2011 22:24:48 GMT -5
"BigBiz08"...the statement you referred to is often misquoted, if I may, it's : " the LOVE of money is the root of all evil"! There are people w/ a great deal of money who do wonderful things too, but your point is very clear here!
The existence of this site is evidence of men becoming "informed decision makers"-yes!
If any doctor believes he/she can use deceptive tactics, perform highly questionable procedures- yielding the types of results we've been hearing about w/out expecting scrutiny or fallout, then that person would clearly be a delusional.
As for the most recent events ie confirmed reports of bogus Elist success stories, all I can say is whomever the individual is behind the activity should realize that the public/prospective clients are just not as dumb as he may have believed them to be...AND this individual is clearly not nearly as bright as he thought he was.
In light of all the negativity generally associated w/the Elist implant, and given the confirmed shill activity...so forth, I know that if I were currently in the market for pe surgery/researching the various options, I'd definitely scratch this procedure off the list for sure!
The internet is a double edged sword you see, and if a doctors actions determined to be harmful, and there's a pattern- this WILL come back to haunt that doctor.
IF ANY doctor performs a procedure that generally yields high complication rates, KNOWS this, and withholds information completely or partially, this would be DECEPTION...gross negligence and it can be said w/absolute certainty that this doctor whomever he/she may be, and however great they believe themselves to be, is in fact acting in unethically. Any doctor who operates (no pun intended) in this was would be theirown worst enemy!
Controversy re: Elist is not a new phenomenon. In my opinion, if anyone eg: Lawman, feels this doctor is being maligned here, wrongly accused or harshly judged perhaps he would accept an offer to post himself directly like other physicians have, here he would even have the opportunity to personally/publically address a number of his former patients...their problems/concerns.
Idm
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 26, 2011 23:02:07 GMT -5
I agree IDM... I think if Dr. Elist was so concerned with his reputation and that of his method, he should address the community at large. Something similar to Dr. Runel's situation... we could take an assortment of questions, submit them, and have him respond from his office's email and post them here with his permission. I doubt he'd take up such a daunting task given he prefers employing shills, but we would give him the utmost politeness and civility should he opt to engage this forum.
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Post by sheldon on Feb 26, 2011 23:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by messageman on Feb 27, 2011 3:21:01 GMT -5
Wow you guys are really pathetic, you waste so much time and effort trying to spread lies about the good DR. Think about it this way, if he has been doing this for 10 years, and 90% of patients have had issues don't you think they would have pulled the plug. Out of thousands of people you are all getting together to bash the implant. Well I say this, who are you all working for? What interest do you have in this forum, considering you created an entire website devoted to ruining the dr's reputation I would say there is more to the story the you simply not being satisfied. Several of you are bordering on defamation, its sad to think that you all have such a lack of things to do. Lawman So the whole forum calls you out at as “a shill” and the way you choose to defend yourself is to continue to extol the virtues of the “good doctor” and warn others not “defame” him? Let me explain something to you …Phalloboards.com was created as an answer to the shameless practices that were going on at the Mynewsize website, where obvious shills were being employed to lure prospective patients into a risky surgery with misinformation and flat out lies. Many of the members here have been on the scene a long time (including myself) and our only (may I say selfless) interest lies in the FREE Flow of true information about PE. We are not stupid and can spot fakes quite easily. Your post sounded ridiculous and that’s why people came so heavily down on you…If for some reason we all misjudged this situation, I profusely apologize…If we made the right judgment, I suggest: a) You get yourself some new employment because you suck as a shill b) Try to remember this (the shill business) is a marathon and not a sprint, so it’s best to gain other members’ confidence and trust before you lay it on thick. Try to participate in various threads and build up camaraderie with other members. That’s when you have them where you want them! c) Try to make your posts more believable. Telling us that your 100lb girlfriend is loving that 8 1/4 inch (GIRTH!) cock (squirting no less), but because she is having trouble doing anal, you’re thinking of having it downsized… sounds a little fishy (no pun intended) d) Don’t talk about how great Dr. Elist is right off the bat, just subtly write how your implant has had no complications (so far, so good). That’s enough for most guys. Guys don’t want to date Dr. Elist, they just want to have a fat dick that doesn’t explode on them. e) Go to confession; because if you don’t, you’re going to hell.
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 27, 2011 9:40:35 GMT -5
Idm i was really mad when I wrote that lol! But it's people like Lawman who is obvious a shill to the 3rd degree, he couldn't of made it more know who's paying him. I use to be on MNS where I seen somebody bad mouth Dr Elist then I go back on and it's gone, know we got these jerks trying to migrate over here where we are open and honest.
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Post by biggerbob on Feb 27, 2011 10:54:07 GMT -5
It seems to me that we're beginning to see a concerted effort by a doctor and his minions to take over the discussion about his procedures. That tells me more about the doctor's ethics than anything else. If I want to see a doctor and believe in the procedure, don't bullshit me.
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