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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 17, 2011 0:43:58 GMT -5
As a moderator, I would like to suggest that we try our best to refrain from using this site as a means of obvious/public endorsement for a particular doctor and by the same token, calibrate our criticisms of specific doctors (again publicly), as negative commentaries can be perceived as character assasination. My suggestion to the administrator of this site is to modify the title of this thread so it reads like less of an advertisement/endorsement by phalloboards. This is necessary in my opinion b/c it would be equally inappropriate to strat a thread stating: "why DrX is a qwack and should have his license revoked". That is actually a valid point and is in line with my Welcome! thread stickied on this forum which quotes me as saying: "Criticism and skepticism about a doctor and/or surgical method is acceptable and encouraged - as long as it DOES NOT defame a doctor or entirely discredit a method.
Likewise, supporting a doctor and/or surgical method is also acceptable and encouraged, as long as the promotion of the doctor isn't an endorsement or business affiliation."I am inclined to change the thread title to read something like "My Elist Surgery - by newgirth," since it does read like an advertisement/endorsement but will wait till tomorrow to make a decision. (If I make any changes, it will only be to the titles, no content will be altered)
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Post by mustang2020 on Feb 17, 2011 3:56:19 GMT -5
I also think the contents should not be edited. We need to hear all sides and all opinions, even thu they may come across as sales pitch. The facts will come out no matter what.
Even if the title is left alone, any one who reads the content will make up his mind with the info that is being stated in this thread
The thread starter has his right to voice his experiences and members have the right to present their case too. Let it ride and I am very confident the facts will surface.
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acu
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Post by acu on Feb 17, 2011 9:45:31 GMT -5
Great advice Newgirth!. Advise all prospective PE patents to completely ignore all the implant horror stories that have occurred and listen to one of the very few successful ones... I do have some news for you; most of the members here are well acquainted with the implant’s track record…so much so that when it is mentioned (which isn't that often anymore), the things discussed are: 1) Why somebody had to have it removed, eg. Infection, sharp edges, lopsided, unnatural looking, a time bomb waiting to happen, etc. 2) How much length was lost when it was removed, eg. 2 inches, 3 inches, 4 inches,etc 3) How to possibly get the lost length back…FYI, in most cases it isn’t. 4) What doctor to see for reconstruction surgery; it certainly isn’t Dr. Elist. 5) General cries of help by former Elist patients who now have shortened, deformed penises, in need of consolation. I am sure you have your pictures all ready to go and I am sure they’ll all look great! Hope you can sleep at night mate. Good reply, Messageman. I was about to post the same thing. Newgirth: There are many more horror stories with this procedure than success stories, yet we are suppose to completely ignore them? Honestly, you might be the only success story I know of with this procedure. Yet you say Messageman's facts are all wrong. So basically you are saying that all of the negative feedback has been fabricated by multiple former patients? That's a pretty serious accusation. If you have proof of that, please share your proof. Honestly, you sound like an employee of Dr. Elist or someone who has some sort of connection to him. Do you? Acu
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 17, 2011 12:11:36 GMT -5
acu he also said he was going to post before and after pics! To me he's a FRAUD to the third power! On a serious note where are your pics u promise to post, And for him to discredit atleast (15) people who had a really bad experience we should forget about them and believe you(I DON'T THINK SO)
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Post by iain01 on Feb 17, 2011 12:33:57 GMT -5
Im sorry but this guy smells like chad, boot him off and keep this site unbiased
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Post by bigbizo8 on Feb 17, 2011 12:39:39 GMT -5
Iain01 I 100% agree with you!
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newgirth
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Post by newgirth on Feb 17, 2011 16:56:20 GMT -5
You guys crack me up, the point that I am trying to make is that you should all go see these doctors on your own. I had a very successful procedure with Dr Elist; I know dozens of others that have had a great experience as well. The issue that I am trying to confront is the unfounded skepticism based on a few people that had complications. Do yourself a favor and call Dr Elist, or better yet go see him and ask him how many have been removed, then ask why. After I read some of these stories and the ones on my new size, where I originally put my story, I called to find out if all these rumors were true. Again I was informed that very few patients have removed the prosthesis due to infection. The ones that had their implant removed either tried to have sex to early, work out to early or they shaved the area a few days after the surgery. You must follow post op instructions in order to achieve the results you want. I understand that some of you feel as though I am some sort of agent for the Dr, I assure you that I am not. I am doing this on my own time because I believe in the surgery and I discovered that there are a lot of bad rumors going around. As I stated earlier the fact that the first thing you think when I make a good statement about a Dr is that I am working for him says it all. Take these forums for what they are worth. In the end you should not do anything unless you are 100% sure that you want it, you have researched the Dr thoroughly, (medical research, not forums) and you are comfortable with the doctor. There are several people on the other site, and a few on this one that seem like they are out to get Dr Elist. I know that some implants have been removed; I would love to find out your personal stories on this, if you had the implant removed please get back to me and explain what happened.
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newgirth
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Post by newgirth on Feb 17, 2011 17:05:54 GMT -5
One thing I forgot to mention is if you remove my posts you will show your true colors. We all know that the mynewsize operation had some very shady habits. I would hate for this forum to gain the same reputation. Once you start deleting posts you ruin your validity.
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 17, 2011 18:01:29 GMT -5
No one has said anything about deletion. It is your attitude and approach to this forum that has people doubting your credibility. We actually have threads here pertaining to successful implants (see Patient Support Group & Progress Reports forum), but none of them came onto this board accusing other patients of being fabricators. Just because you had an optimal result, does not mean everyone else shares the same fate. That's the issue here.
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 17, 2011 18:09:25 GMT -5
And I should add, all walks of phalloplasty (FFT patients, Belladerm patients, etc) are expressing skepticism about your posts, and it is the first time that I can remember that this has happened here at PhalloBoards. Either you are a salesperson, or you have a very unique (and bizarre) way of relating your experiences. If the latter is true, maybe we need to work on how we approach our tone when discussing intimate matters. If it is the former, rest assured there will be swift action.
Furthermore, you'll notice that members aren't giving Stalemango, Ck, Regularguy, and Marknmau a hard time about posting their successful implants. There is a simple reason why, and I'm sure you can figure that one out. No one is trying to censor the Elist implant, but people are trying to bring light to facts regarding its potential for complication.
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Post by sodacanman on Feb 18, 2011 2:32:52 GMT -5
New Girth,
It is nice to hear another good story about Dr Elist; I actually had it done 2 times. Once with the large implant then again last year with the XL. I noticed that a lot of you guys are asking about erect pics. I don’t have any problem posting some. I will get them up ASAP. Are there any other happy elist patients besides newgirth and me?
I tried to create an account with a place called my new size but the site seems to be non functional. I would be more than happy to share my story with anyone that wants to know.
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Post by lastime on Feb 18, 2011 3:26:00 GMT -5
Thanks NG, for pics and appreciate your effort. We need these visuals to see our options. But these results are unsatisfactory for me. I hope your happy, and I definitely am not trying to bum you out, but the reason I had it removed was due to total detectability of the implant. On the second pic, I can totally see the implant and how it is positioned in the penis. The problem for me is that the implant does not go all the way around the cock. So you can see and feel where it starts and ends. Especially when flaccid, I was able to actually lift the implant, as it is not "glued" to our cocks, it just is placed subqutaneously. I was so paranoid of my chick touching it cuz it felt so fake. The girth was awesome in the erect state, and I do miss it, but Im glad Im natural now even though I missing a inch of length due to retraction.
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Post by mustang2020 on Feb 18, 2011 5:04:46 GMT -5
It is very sad you lost an inch due to removal. Do you think a lig cut or any other means may get your erect inch back? some one lost some erect length but gained back and then some with stretching, I think it was messagman?
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Post by hoddle10 on Feb 18, 2011 9:37:03 GMT -5
Does anyone esle think this could be someone trying to make Elist look bad? It's far too obvious a shill story if you ask me. It's as if the poster wants to be accussed and therefore make people suspicious of Dr EList. He then posts a photo in which the implant is so visable it's untrue. It's as if he's trying to put people off the EList implant. I'm the last person to defend Dr Elist, Chad or the implant surgery, as I've always been very much anti the whole thing. However, I'm not convinced EList or Chad are behind this and in fact suspect the opposite could be true here. It seems to me that it's possible someone with an axe to grind could want posters to believe that Elist/Chad are upto their old tricks again and have deliberately started a thread that seems very dodgy and then compounded it by posting a photo which shows the implant in a bad light.
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Post by Skeptical One on Feb 18, 2011 10:06:48 GMT -5
@hoddle
I suspect that if newgirth was a shill, he would be with Elist and not against. And this is only in line with the "defensive" nature Elist has taken in the past few months (recall the attorney PM's sent to members of MNS regarding Elist criticism) as well as some PM's I've had with members who say that the Doctor comes off as very defensive when critical questions are asked. Newgirth reflects this "defensive" attitude so it leads me to think that he was a VERY successful patient and Elist knew that this guy would be the ideal testimonial. He then presented the guy with a lucrative opportunity (or a surgical discount) to spread the word. That would be my theory.
But the bigger picture here is how we are all coming up with theories since we simply don't find this guy credible. Regardless of the actual scenario, whether he be legit or not, he has clearly not been reading these forums (MNS & Phallo) long enough to have learned the proper etiquette around here.
Newgirth, thanks for the pictures, nice girth. I'll leave this thread open and unaltered for now. I know you have an identical thread at MNS called something like "Why I love Dr. Elist." It amuses me how shills hardly master the skill of "authenticity."
Feel free to post, and others feel free to ask. Just be forewarned, there isn't a lot of trust about the original poster from the collective moderators.
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