The wierdest thing about this penis business is that no one can convice you that your dick is not small. Yet, when I look at other guys with the same measurements, I think wow that's decent. On the other hand, most men, including StaleMango, have said that they realize size isn't that big of a deal AFTER the surgery.
I have a theory: It's because a postive comment is often taken with a grain of salt. So when you're partner comments on your big prick, you're like, "sure thanks"--and on to business. But if she laughed, pointed, and told all her girlfriends, you would be scarred for life! . . . I'll go with the first option, thanks. But like it's been mentioned before, nothing could stop me from wanting/getting the surgery, especially if the "scar" is still there.
Post by stalemango on Jan 24, 2011 21:10:54 GMT -5
I've received a couple of personal messages inquiring about the status of my implant and general thoughts, so I would like to provide an update.
At a little over ten months, nothing has changed in terms of the implant or personal views. I still believe it's the best money I've ever spent and even with the downsides in my case (e.g., the dreadful recovery period, ridge on the left side, firm flaccid, stretch marks, etc.), I would do it again without any reservations. I took a break from posting because I realize I was coming across like a shill.
Prior to surgery, my penis was 6.5-7" erect length with 4.5" erect girth. I first had sex when I was 15 years old with a woman three years my senior. After meeting her at work, she called me daily and asked me to come over. At the time, I didn't know what for, but I realized it was for sex when my pants were coming off when I went to her place after many months of telling her no. She never called me again and my feelings of inadequacy began, only to spiral in the years to follow.
Post-surgery, I feel great about my penis. I no longer have issues with undressing in front of women and I love the comments they make. I was a little concerned about a woman finding out about my surgery, but at the end of the day, I don't care. I recently went on a vacation and had sex with a Colombian who fucked me like I've never been fucked before. She has been the only woman who took my penis in its entirety since the surgery. I guess the fact that she has three kids may have had something to do with that, but it felt great!! She gave me one of the best blowjobs I've ever had without noticing the implant. She was jerking my penis quite hard and she didn't notice the ridge on the left side of my penis or the transition from the shaft to glans. I've had sex in all kinds of lighting and no one has noticed my pubic scar. She had breast implants and what appeared to be liposuction on her stomach and buttocks implants. If she's enjoying life, so should I.
With that said, I've come to realize that sex with a woman you'll never see again is one thing, but a relationship is totally different. Honested provided some very valuable insight in his response in the thread titled, "What can the vagina feel?" There's a woman I fell hard for and known for a few years, and my bigger penis doesn't mean shit to her. She has never told me directly because I've never asked, but I know for a fact that my ability to come through for her in a couple of instances when she really needed it holds more weight. Despite trying to get her out of my life a couple of times, she continues to come back because she knows she can count on me. Currently, we're friends who enjoy each other's company without sex being involved (her choice).
Like all surgeries, there are downsides. I can't deny that there seems to be a lot of horror stories with Dr. Elist's implant, but I felt the bigger the reward, the bigger the risk, and it was a risk I was willing to take. Given everything that has been posted, those of you considering the surgery will have to decide whether the risk is worth it for you. I've heard Dr. Elist has a new implant and while I do think about it from time to time, I intend to stick with what I have as long as I don't have any issues in the future. Any woman who has a problem with my implant gets the boot (for those of you wondering, yes, you will have to tell your future partner about your implant).
Last Edit: Jan 24, 2011 21:34:37 GMT -5 by stalemango
Post by Skeptical One on Jan 25, 2011 0:29:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the update! I never thought you came off as a shill, and besides, I can smell 'em from a mile away.
I personally haven't written the implant off entirely, even in the face of all the horror stories. That doesn't mean its high on my list of candidates, but it still remains. That is because I feel like I can accept those greater risks (involved with the Elist implant) given my current sizes (flaccid and erect) as well as my life experiences.
What I want to know is if the complication/rejection/removal rate ends up being very high (we don't know what the actual figures are), what is it about those who had success that allowed them to survive a theoretically flawed method? And I only say "flawed" if the complication rate was in-fact high.
Thank goodness you are one of the few to report such high degree of success with this procedure. Keep us up to date from time to time!
Post by stalemango on Jan 27, 2011 19:38:13 GMT -5
Thank you, messageman. Girth wise, I'm 5.5" at the head to 7" at the base with a condom on. I still have 6.5/7" (non-bone pressed/bone pressed) of length when I measure along the top of my penis, but a little under six inches of usable length when I measure on the bottom side with a condom rolled back as far as it can remain.
Last Edit: Jan 29, 2011 11:17:54 GMT -5 by stalemango
Thanks for the update Stale! As you probably know I also had the implant with no problems. I'm really happy for you and I'm glad you decided to keep yours and not opt for a bigger one as you were thinking about a while back. I know it sounds tempting, but like you I sure as hell don't want to go through that pain again. A little bigger dick, or even a lot bigger dick is NOT worth the risk of another surgery! We are big enough (especially you)! I'm not quite as sure as you that I would do it all over again, knowing the risks.... but whats done is done and I'm happy. I know what you mean about not posting too often, so as not to be taken as a shill for Elist. but sometimes you just want to talk about it and how it has improved our sex lives..... even though I feel totally horrible for the guys that had problems, I think as long as there is balance, so guys get the good and bad info. it can be helpful. well hopefully you and I and the rest have continued good fortune with this thing long into the future, thanks Stale, take care!
Post by stalemango on Jan 29, 2011 11:34:42 GMT -5
Thank you, whitesnakeguy. I read your progress thread and wanted to inquire if you attempted to contact Dr. Elist. I know he can be a pain in the rear to get in touch with, but the founder of the other penis board went to him after a horrible ordeal and was able to get taken care of.
You know, marknmau, I must be crazy because there are times when I go back and forth in my head on whether or not I should go for the upgrade. I still remember the feelings of uncertainty after leaving Los Angeles and the hassle with taking a shower each day. What's a little frustating is remembering how huge I was during the first couple of weeks before the swelling went down and seeing what I'm left with. I may have to pull the trigger if I hear enough success stories from Elist guys who are successfully treated by Dr. C while having the implant.
P.S. Thank you, yet again, for informing me to take the stitch out. Who knows how long it would have been there had you not said anything.
I'm happy for the guys who like their Elist implant but the comment made about "the risks being great" is very true. My experience going into this was that Dr Elist minimized the risk and I believed him. It ended up being a disaster for me and a year later I am still really messed up with a retracted deformed penis. When I look at Dr Elist's web site my blood boils. He knows of the risks yet presents a procedure, which is still experimental, as a safe proven science. He's a good salesman but unfortunately there are many men left devistated by the negative consequences that can result from his procedure.
S.Mango- really appreciate your posts. As I've stated in other threads I'm very pleased for you and for the other guys whose bodies have managed to tolerate the implant.
You are fortunate and perhaps should consider not pushing that good fortune by undergoing explantation/and receiving a new implant! In my opinion, (not that your asking), that would be a mistake...presumably you would go up a size? Which I'd be willing to wager will cost you length this time, in addition to all of the usual hazards that go along w/this procedure.
At some point, I think all of us inevitably have to "check ourselves", as the pe issue can turn into an unhealthy obsession. We have to ask ourselves, where do we draw the line? When will we be content? And is it really just about the penis or is there some underlying insecurity or matter that needs to be addressed.
Obviously we all have our reasons for wanting pe and some of us (like me) really feel we "needed" it, but what worries me is this pervasive idealogy that what makes a man- "a man" is the size of his penis OR put differently, judging our self worth merely by this standard. To me this way of thinking is fundamentally flawed and dangerous...dangerous on a personal level and detrimental in our society (which seems to be going down the shitter more every day)!
I hope you don't misinterprete the following, but as someone said earlier, you should "be proud"- You have a good physique, package, and I'm sure good face and a good brain! A lot to be proud of for sure.
I'm feeling the need to post my "mini life essay", in the hopes that some here better appreciate what they already have going for yourselves. I'm not looking for a pity party. I've done my work and I'm in a good place now...and not bitter, but frankly and respectfully, most of you don't know what real problems are as they pertains to health/body image -and I'm GLAD about that b/c what I've been through (I think I'll post it w/in the next 2 weeks), trust, you wouldn't wish on an enemy!
Terravrm- I suggest you stop looking at Elists site as there are no answers there for you. I know you're not where you want to be physically but in order to make progress you MUST look ahead and NOT back! The question is where do you go from here and if I may how can "we" , your friends on this site, best help you?
I believe it would be a credit to this site if a little more consideration is given to men who've had problems either before, or as a result of pe surgery.
Post by stalemango on Jan 29, 2011 19:18:35 GMT -5
Thank you for the compliments, idm. In regards to the risks you mentioned about opting for a second surgery for, indeed, the next size up, there's a part of me that thinks I would be asking for it by being greedy. More importantly, we would welcome the opportunity to hear your history. Not to say therapy is what you're looking for, but it may very well serve that purpose, as well as be a reminder of the risks of phalloplasty for current and future members.
For me you come across as very credible and I appreciate your insights and info as I am 6 months behind you. It helps to read your insights as it gives me an idea about what to expect. I too have much empathy for those who have had issues / problems with their Dr. E procedures. I honestly don't know if I am lucky or not. But, I am very happy with my result. I do think about PMMA enhancement, but quickly tell myself not to be too greedy. Part of me wonders that I might have a bad experience with a 2nd procedure and that I shouldn't push it. Ultimately you are right. Each of us has to make our own call based on the risk and reward.
Thanks for all your posts StaleMango. I'm wondering why your implant looks so natural vs. pictures that I've seen of other guys. The edges don't seem to show and your penis curves naturally when it's flaccid. You really don't seem to be able to tell that you have an implant. Can you explain that? Was it just the luck of your own anatomy? Did you get the new, softer silicone that Dr. Elist is supposedly using now? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
justpitchingin: Anyways.. I have had the Elist procedure.. only 14 weeks post-op.. So far so good.. But be warned the girth is actually something that may not be appreciated as it may be a bit much for folks that are not into girth..
Mar 18, 2017 1:33:43 GMT -5
happy: guys that had Elist surgery recently and are recovering and all is well...I'd like to communicate with guys that had the surgery within the last year so I can gauge my progress
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