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Post by sheldon on Nov 2, 2010 17:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 2, 2010 21:59:20 GMT -5
What is interesting is that he's offering the service cheap to expand his before-/after picture database, which is very indicative of a new procedure. This seems like an FFT but without the fat (but instead PRFM).
I'm going to email him regarding the medicine/science behind this and what makes it as good if not better than FFT. Very interesting, thanks for bringing it to our attention sheldon.
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Post by acu on Nov 3, 2010 7:33:57 GMT -5
Sheldon:
Very, very good find! Thanks for posting this.
This is very interesting and something I would consider doing. I would definitely want to see some pictures first.
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Skeptical One:
Please let us know what you find out. I particularly would like to know if this requires multiple procedures or "top ups" like FFT does. I like the fact that this procedure is non-invasive. While the girth increase would be expected I guess, what's particularly interesting is that he says you gain some length also.
If there are any posters here with a science background, I hope they will weigh in on this procedure.
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Post by hoddle10 on Nov 3, 2010 7:38:54 GMT -5
I think we need to find out more about the safety of this procedure. I actually doubt it will work (no reason for this, just a hunch), but I'd blow $2000 trying it, if I thought the worst that would happen is that I didn't gain anything. Obviously with any injection there is the risk of infection, but I'd take that risk. But I'd want to be sure that stuff being injected is going to damage my penis somehow. I know it's largelly my own blood, but is it safe to inject it into the penis? This isn't like FFT as it isn't put under the skin, but injected directly into the main bodies of the penis.
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Post by acu on Nov 3, 2010 8:20:30 GMT -5
I think we need to find out more about the safety of this procedure. I actually doubt it will work (no reason for this, just a hunch), but I'd blow $2000 trying it, if I thought the worst that would happen is that I didn't gain anything. Obviously with any injection there is the risk of infection, but I'd take that risk. But I'd want to be sure that stuff being injected is going to damage my penis somehow. I know it's largelly my own blood, but is it safe to inject it into the penis? This isn't like FFT as it isn't put under the skin, but injected directly into the main bodies of the penis. Hoddle: I agree with you. Safety is the main concern. Since the material he is injecting is your own tissue, I wonder if (or why) there would be any negative side effects? Hopefully someone with a science/medical background here could investigate this further. If the biggest risk is simply not gaining any size, I would be willing to spend the $2,000 as well. ACU |
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Post by sheldon on Nov 3, 2010 8:57:14 GMT -5
Sheldon: Very, very good find! Thanks for posting this. This is very interesting and something I would consider doing. I would definitely want to see some pictures first. ACU You are quite welcome. This is something that needs to be investigated further. This is what I am trying to bring to this site, new information, some legit activity, and a healthy bit a skepticism. But I have been accused of bringing BS and politics (read what messageman wrote about me). I never endorsed a surgeon or criticized one on these threads and looked for members to share their surgical experiences here. I would ask you guys to review what I wrote and some of the threads that I started and judge for yourselves. Have I taken schadenfreude when someone's surgery went wrong? I think not. Is it important to know why sometimes PE surgery goes wrong either through the fault of the surgeon and the patient, ie. surgical incompetence, patient smoking/not following post-op instructions, etc. I was happy that Dan L joined this site, but according to the rules that cannot post and can respect that. I was hoping Dan L could share this surgical experiences with us. Hopefully Ken B will join this site as well. I guess this is wrong to generate legit activity on this board this way, huh messageman? I have asked legit questions about Drs. Reed and Rosenthal - and I thank hunkydory and soma who responded politely and civilly. I started threads about PE in Serbia and Russia. I guess according to messageman starting threads is bringing baggage to this site and a questionable agenda. Guys, I can't understand why I am getting criticized over asking questions and showing what was written at TP but yet no one has a problem with the thread MNS is down. To the Admin - Skeptical One you will probably be asked that I be banned by messageman, but I ask you to judge for yourself and review my posts and think earnestly if that action is warranted. Thank you. |
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Post by hoddle10 on Nov 3, 2010 9:45:35 GMT -5
I think we need to find out more about the safety of this procedure. I actually doubt it will work (no reason for this, just a hunch), but I'd blow $2000 trying it, if I thought the worst that would happen is that I didn't gain anything. Obviously with any injection there is the risk of infection, but I'd take that risk. But I'd want to be sure that stuff being injected is going to damage my penis somehow. I know it's largelly my own blood, but is it safe to inject it into the penis? This isn't like FFT as it isn't put under the skin, but injected directly into the main bodies of the penis. Hoddle: I agree with you. Safety is the main concern. Since the material he is injecting is your own tissue, I wonder if (or why) there would be any negative side effects? Hopefully someone with a science/medical background here could investigate this further. If the biggest risk is simply not gaining any size, I would be willing to spend the $2,000 as well. ACU I'm in the US quite often, so would be prepared to see Dr Runnels if we could find out more about safety. However, it will still be quite an effort for me as I'm formt he UK. However, if someone were to come forward who was prepared to be a guinea pig (providing we had established its safety), who lived in a closer proximity to Dr Runnels, I would donate $100 or maybe $200 towards their procedure. If we can 10-20 guys who will do the same, and the volunteer promises to take photographic evidence of their experience and write very detailed accounts on a regular basis, then it could be worth considering trying to organise something. There have to be enough of us out there who are sufficently interested to spend $100 or so. |
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Post by messageman on Nov 3, 2010 10:18:30 GMT -5
For those wondering what I mainly have objections with (with regards to Sheldon), please refer to the Chad Hedman thread….
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Post by sheldon on Nov 3, 2010 11:02:02 GMT -5
For those wondering what I mainly have objections with (with regards to Sheldon), please refer to the Chad Hedman thread…. I would encourage members to review my threads and posts and judge for yourselves about messagemans objections to my posts. Read the links from TP that I posted - I didn't write them, just posted them for members to read; in addition, I just asked if anyone was ripped off by Chad Hedman. How many of you knew about Dr. Runel's work dealing with PRFM, the PE scaffolds being done in Serbia, or the PE work in Russia regarding using part of the abdominal muscle for PE? Is it wrong to encourage Dan L or Ken B to join us her?. Have I told members to go to Serbia or Russia for PE? or go to Dr. Runels for his 'miracle PE treatment'? Just bringing this to members' attention. It seems like messageman objects to this information or maybe he has something against me personally. Read what soma and ACU wrote about some of my posts and the healthy discussion generated by Dr. Runels by hoddle10. By the way I do NOT work for Dr. Runels - I feel this procedure needs further investigation and MAY hold promise. One thing I would like to see is before and after picture and to see how long the treatment lasts. |
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 3, 2010 18:35:09 GMT -5
I sent the doctor an email but haven't heard anything from him yet. For $1,900, I'd strongly consider the option if I could verify the science & medicine behind it (which would also help indicate what kind of complications are possible).
But obviously, the price was based on a need to establish a before/after portfolio, indicating how very new this method is to the public. So even though I myself am excited about it, I must practice caution. Hopefully he gets back to us soon.
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 3, 2010 18:38:06 GMT -5
His website states regarding where the injection is put:
Directly into the corpus cavernosum with a small needle, and into the head of the penis--in a way almost exactly as done with those who use injections for erectile dysfunction.
These type of procedures I urge a STRONG amount of caution...this isn't just under the skin, this is going "dick-deep" (no pun intended).
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Post by Skeptical One on Nov 3, 2010 18:40:58 GMT -5
From how "practical" and "common sense" this method seems, either he's hit a jackpot technique, or its a very risky endeavor. I'm very interested but very very skeptical.
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Post by hoddle10 on Nov 3, 2010 19:36:11 GMT -5
I understand what you mean, but given that it's your own blood he's using, I can't see why it would be particuarly risky. We need to learn more, but the fact it goes direct into the penis, instead of under the skin, in my opinion is a good thing. I know it sounds more scary, but all implant techniques that put material under the skin are so limited in what they can achieve. When the do ultimately come up with a decent PE solution, it will involve an injection into the penis itself. The question is, is this the one? I doubt it, but I can't help but be interested to find out more.
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Post by mustang2020 on Nov 3, 2010 22:10:48 GMT -5
In my opinion, the best solution is to increase the size of the corpora cavernosa chambers, length and girth. This will be the only way to really give a natural looking and working organ. Now, I know a Dr. tried it but his subjetcs had major problems with infections. One patient went as far as shooting the Dr. but he sruvived, I believe.
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Post by wizard on Nov 4, 2010 1:00:52 GMT -5
First, Sheldon, thank you for bringing to this board a wider consideration of techniques - I was getting tired of the Rosenthal, Knight, Elist etc etc collective.
But here's my suggestion when asking Dr Runel questions: in his spiel he says
"I became even more interested and considered injecting my own penis with Restylane" Then gives the reason why he didn't.
The obvious question to him then concerning PRFM is "have you done it to yourself, Dr" and more importantly "have you recorded the results." That is the sure method of validating the procedure.
If he says "no" - then the follow on question should be "But why not if you are so confident in the procedure - after all you said you would inject yourself with Restalyne"
There can be no better salesman than a Dr showing his own member before and after pics and then even being able to show the hard evidence to a would-be patient. Now that's my sort of Dr.
Skeptical One - you might consider this as an add on to your other enquiry because so far with all these procedures its the results that count not the science spun by the DR as we all very well know.
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